[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[Triggaaar]

Perhaps it’s time for NATO to declare the Wagner group a terrorist organisation and carry out some operations.

They're mercenaries aren't they? Just offer to pay them if they switch sides - they'll get more money and have a better chance of surviving.

 

[peterward]

Perhaps it’s time for NATO to declare the Wagner group a terrorist organisation and carry out some operations. Perhaps trying to pin the shooting down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 on them could justify a strike or two?

There's been a lot of talk of this happening in recent days, maybe one of reasons Putin is incorporating them into the MOD.

On paper after July 1st they won't exist anymore as a separate entity.

 

[St Leonards Seagull]

Excellent contributer on twitter, another thread that expands on that and even predicts major UKR breakthrough within 2 weeks is Trent Telenko here.



And Mike Martin, who is ex military strategist and knows his stuff, has ongoing thread, he adds too predicting similar



If you can suffer the voice there's a Ukrainians (in English) brilliant daily update video of progress that's often ahead and deadly accurate.

https://youtube.com/@RFU

And big news today..... which is going to be causing ramifications in Russia, is Russian MOD is forcing all PMC under its command and onto MOD contracts.... that means Prigorzhin and Wagner will be under Shoigu/Gerasimov and the Russia MOD..... don't think Prigorzhin will be too happy!



It's going pretty well for Ukraine and not well for Russia so far, thus Russian calls for negotiations.

If that’s true then surely Prigorzhin’s less than a month away from a fall from an upper floor window or a cardiac event.

 

[peterward]

If that’s true then surely Prigorzhin’s less than a month away from a fall from an upper floor window or a cardiac event.

The plot thickens!

Or is it all an elaborate disinfo game?

 

[St Leonards Seagull]

The plot thickens!

Or is it all an elaborate disinfo game?

It would be quite interesting to see what would happen if a few Ukrainians or anti Putin Russian’s launched some sort of attack on Prigorzhin’s troops under the guise of friendly troops or vice Versa. You would hope that Ukrainian intelligence are exploiting this to the maximum.

 

[peterward]

It would be quite interesting to see what would happen if a few Ukrainians or anti Putin Russian’s launched some sort of attack on Prigorzhin’s troops under the guise of friendly troops or vice Versa. You would hope that Ukrainian intelligence are exploiting this to the maximum.

These presidential pitching posters saying "Yevgenyi Prigorzhin for strength stability not bunker" "power confidence stability," have started appearing around Russia but more heavily in Belgorod region (where there's been multiple incursions).

I kinda guessed this is Ukrainian shenanigans, rather than Prigorzhin doing it!

 

[St Leonards Seagull]

These presidential pitching posters saying "Yevgenyi Prigorzhin for strength stability not bunker" have started appearing around Russia but more heavily in Belgorod region (where there's been multiple incursions).

I kinda guessed this is Ukrainian shenanigans, rather than Prigorzhin doing it!

Great effort if that’s the case, could be interesting where Wagner are “managing” Russia’s interests in Africa also.

 

[peterward]

Great effort if that’s the case, could be interesting where Wagner are “managing” Russia’s interests in Africa also.

If you're interested and have 40mins. The WSJ published a documentary all about Wagner 2 days ago, from inception to now, funding what and how it operates and its shockingly bad and sickeningly evil.

 

[St Leonards Seagull]

If you're interested and have 40mins. The WSJ published a documentary all about Wagner 2 days ago, from inception to now, funding what and how it operates and its shockingly bad and sickeningly evil.

Cheers I’ll give it a watch later. Let’s hope this leads to some division and infighting. If so we could see the Illegal operation in Ukraine fall apart

 

[raymondo]

Excellent contributer on twitter, another thread that expands on that and even predicts major UKR breakthrough within 2 weeks is Trent Telenko here.



And Mike Martin, who is ex military strategist and knows his stuff, has ongoing thread, he adds too predicting similar



If you can suffer the voice there's a Ukrainians (in English) brilliant daily update video of progress that's often ahead and deadly accurate.

https://youtube.com/@RFU

And big news today..... which is going to be causing ramifications in Russia, is Russian MOD is forcing all PMC under its command and onto MOD contracts.... that means Prigorzhin and Wagner will be under Shoigu/Gerasimov and the Russia MOD..... don't think Prigorzhin will be too happy!



It's going pretty well for Ukraine and not well for Russia so far, thus Russian calls for negotiations.

Some quite positive news there, thanks - and Prigorzhin won 't enjoy being Shoigu's chef at all.
Also some positive updates from Tendar overnight

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

I didn’t say they weren’t brave. Wind your neck in you f***ing tool.

Out of order. Every generation when asked has risen to the challenge and has been pointed out has done so very recently. For you to say otherwise is unacceptable.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

It’s an expression. The youth of today would never offer up the same sacrifice as these young men did in WW2. Just look at St Nazaire for example, that was pretty much a suicide mission. Every man was offered the chance to pull out the night before...not one took up the offer. My point is, the vast majority of today’s youth wouldn’t even contemplate such sacrifice. It just the way society has gone unfortunately.

That is bollocks and very offensive to those that wear the uniform today.

 

[peterward]

That is bollocks and very offensive to those that wear the uniform today.

I actually agree. If someone were to try and invade UK (forgetting NATO art 5), but if we found ourselves under direct existential threat on our land, (as Ukraine does today) I actually think you'd find plenty of fellas who'd sign up and fight or offer whatever skill they could.

 

[sully]

That is bollocks and very offensive to those that wear the uniform today.

There’s already been one polite request to keep that discussion off this thread.

This is the second request. Please.

 

[peterward]

For those of you that don't know Kiril Budanov, he's the young head of the Ukrainian foreign intelligence service (our MI6), no doubt responsible for the drone strikes in Russia, and probably for many of the assassinations of pro Russians who've died in mysterious circumstances.

He says he's had over 10 assassination attempts on himself by Russia, he caused a bit of an uproar a few weeks ago saying Ukraine would strike Russia inside Russia "deeper and deeper" and today just posted a new cideo that's got a lot of Russian telegram groups going nuts with worried speculation.

The words say "to be continued" next "plans love silence"

Love the psychological mind games!

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[Thunder Bolt]

That is bollocks and very offensive to those that wear the uniform today.

And those of us who served since 1945.

 

[Eric the meek]

Just when you thought Russia couldn't go any lower:

Kherson flooding: Ukraine evacuation boat attacked by Russia, killing three

Hundreds of people have been trapped on the Russia-held eastern bank of the Dnipro River.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[raymondo]

For those of you that don't know Kiril Budanov, he's the young head of the Ukrainian foreign intelligence service (our MI6), no doubt responsible for the drone strikes in Russia, and probably for many of the assassinations of pro Russians who've died in mysterious circumstances.

He says he's had over 10 assassination attempts on himself by Russia, he caused a bit of an uproar a few weeks ago saying Ukraine would strike Russia inside Russia "deeper and deeper" and today just posted a new cideo that's got a lot of Russian telegram groups going nuts with worried speculation.

The words say "to be continued" next "plans love silence"

Love the psychological mind games!

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Today.

Good videos and unsettling mind games ; plus more photos appearing of real damage just over the border near Belgorod. Hope the Russians are starting to feel and realise Putin can't protect them from all situations. I wonder how many troops Russia will have to pull back to better protect their borders and 'reassure' local populations.

 

[Triggaaar]

Just when you thought Russia couldn't go any lower:

I never think that.

 

[peterward]

Just when you thought Russia couldn't go any lower:

Kherson flooding: Ukraine evacuation boat attacked by Russia, killing three

Hundreds of people have been trapped on the Russia-held eastern bank of the Dnipro River.

www.bbc.co.uk

They're constantly shelling civiliians and evacuation points, can you comprehend such sick evil?

And yet Ukrainians are still in boats rescuing fellow civillians and animals.

The contrast between every life is precious to no life is worth anything.

I f**king love Ukrainians indomitable spirit and absolute defiance.