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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
- Thread starter vegster
- Start date
An example of close combat as Ukrainians flush Russians out of the woods:
news.sky.com
Ukraine war: Military analyst watches 'sobering' footage of close quarters fighting in Bakhmut
Ukrainian troops can be seen pushing up through a tree line in Bakhmut, as Russian forces attempt to defend their position.
news.sky.com
schmunk
Why oh why oh why?
See also: Brexit.
portslade seagull
Well-known member
Need to lob a couple of Storm Shadows there way to let them in on the action
Article including update on Shebekino, a Russian border town near Belgorod, that is currently under the control of the anti Russian groups operating from Ukraine.
www.theguardian.com
Chaos on frontlines as Ukraine war threatens to come home for Russia
As ‘governor’ claims streets are calm in flooded Kherson, Russian town of Shebekino is emptying amid heavy shelling
www.theguardian.com
Thanks. An interesting silver lining possibility to the blowing of the dam.
Still, retaking the power station will include many risks... I don't think Russia would give it up easily. That's war though.
- Aug 24, 2020
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Sky's latest report has a couple of interesting articles:
1. Wagner defies Putin's orders.
2. How Putin will likely be replaced, according to an expert.
news.sky.com
1. Wagner defies Putin's orders.
2. How Putin will likely be replaced, according to an expert.
Russia-Ukraine war: 'Putin's henchmen' threatening UK, Britons warned; Moscow's troops reach key Ukrainian city
Russian troops have reached the Ukrainian city of Toretsk, an anchor of Kyiv's defences in the eastern Donetsk region. Its capture could bring closer the prospect of Moscow securing the entire Donbas. Meanwhile, the MI5 boss has warned Russia wants to create "mayhem" on UK streets.
Donor Nations Providing Security Assistance, Training for Ukraine
Secretary of Defense Lloyd J. Austin III visited Lucius D. Clay Kaserne, a U.S. Army installation in Germany that is home to the Security Assistance Group-Ukraine and the International Donor
www.defense.gov
Re Wagner, I think they'll sort out the compensation thingy (probably rarely paid anyway) and Wagner will stay independent. I imagine it will amuse Putin for quite some time to watch Prigozhin and Shoigu fight it out.Sky's latest report has a couple of interesting articles:
1. Wagner defies Putin's orders.
2. How Putin will likely be replaced, according to an expert.
Russia-Ukraine war: 'Putin's henchmen' threatening UK, Britons warned; Moscow's troops reach key Ukrainian city
Russian troops have reached the Ukrainian city of Toretsk, an anchor of Kyiv's defences in the eastern Donetsk region. Its capture could bring closer the prospect of Moscow securing the entire Donbas. Meanwhile, the MI5 boss has warned Russia wants to create "mayhem" on UK streets.
- Aug 24, 2020
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A small part of me still wonders if it is all some kind of elaborate deception. I guess we will find out on 1 July, the deadline by which all Wagner combatants are obliged to sign a contract. We will see.
The Russian elite have such a strange culture (I use the term loosely), characterised by posturing, misplaced arrogance, threats (veiled or explicit), alongside deception, lies, disguise, exaggeration, distraction, obfuscation etc. I wonder if it crosses any of their minds how damaging it is to generations of ordinary future Russians who will follow in their footsteps and try to make their way in this globalised, interconnected world. I'm not at all sure it does. Their ignorance leads them to judge everyone by their own low standards of behaviour, including the westerners they will need to trade with. It will be fascinating to see what emerges post-Putin.
Your nice summary of the culture of the Russian elite
- Nov 11, 2009
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Interesting perspective on why Putin tolerates these factions fighting & Prigorzhin etc.
- Aug 24, 2020
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Yes, it's an interesting perspective, and one which seems very plausible.
A while ago, I asked the question 'why is Prigozhin still alive?'. But unlike me, Geraschenko has worked out what is going on and has answered the question! I appreciate it's all speculation, until it is confirmed by the passage of time.
But if it's true, then it means Putin feels that his position as Tsar is under threat. His actions would seem to confirm that he does not feel threatened by Ukraine and her allies, but more threatened by those around him.
driddles
Well-known member
Excellent article, well worth reading https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...ch-Through-a-Defense-Line-but-Russia-Couldn-t
It makes sense
- Aug 24, 2020
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'I have 25 million reserves' - Shoigu.
Here is the article from the BBC:
www.bbc.co.uk
Here is the article from the BBC:
Counting Russia's dead in Ukraine - and what it says about the changing face of the war - BBC News
What we learned from counting the Russian dead
Interesting thanks'I have 25 million reserves' - Shoigu.
Here is the article from the BBC:
Counting Russia's dead in Ukraine - and what it says about the changing face of the war - BBC News
What we learned from counting the Russian dead
