You lowered it by bringing in faux racism. Stick to football - you do know a bit about that.
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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
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Weststander
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I think the Ukrainians have handled this wisely. They value the lives of their military, so picking moments, almost quasi-guerilla strategy and tactics, making Ukraine a living hell for commanders of Russian aircraft, tanks and armoured vehicles.
Yes Putin’s already sending in waves of cannon fodder, badly equipped folk who were civilians weeks ago, he doesn’t give a **** when they die. Thankfully, some are surrendering. It’s like Vietnam and the Soviet campaign in Afghanistan, conscripts don’t want to be in a foreign land, they want to live.
Putin will do his worst regardless. Mass rape including of children and old women, theft of anything of value, boobytraps, perhaps a scorched earth policy, blowing up dams and dirty bombs. But he cannot be allowed to get away with another theft of a sovereign state and peoples, the democratic world won’t allow it.
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Sorry fella but that's nonsense. The Ukrainians have smashed the Russians on the right bank for the last month many thousands of Russians killed, cut off their supplies and already advanced into well over half of the right bank territory Russia controlled a month ago.
The Russians were cascading and total capitulation inevitable. They've taken the rump of what's left and moved to the left bank and abandoned a city that is absolutely essential to any pipe dreams Putin had on expanding to Odessa.
The Russians will try and frame this as all strategic, it isn't, it's another defeat.
Today one of the 2 main Kherson pro Russian collaborators, always on Russian TV, Kirill Stremousov was killed. Russia claims in a car crash. Strange that, nearly every original Donetsk Republic leader also died in mysterious circumstances when their useful idiotness was no longer required.
And today Stremousov is dead. No doubt an FSB tidying up exercise *cough car crash, as he knew too much as is now excess to requirements.
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Unfortunately that’s always been the Russian way.
vegster
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Although the Russians occupied Kherson since March, they never actually owned it. A lot of partisans kept the pressure up on the occupiers by targeting the senior Russian collaborators and observing/reporting Russian arms dumps, barracks and vehicles...after the Kerch bridge was rendered unusable this withdrawal was just a matter of time.
Exactly. Claiming it’s strategic is like saying “well we were three nil down so shut up shop to avoid losing eight nil”, but when you’re playing in a cup final.
That's true. But a lot of the Russian force will be poorly trained conscripts. Let's hope the Ukrainians can hold a stable line there through winter.
rogersix
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and i'm going to guess that you are attempting to help, yes?
They haven't. And they can.
There is another large Ukrainian battle group north of Zaporizhzha oblast ready to sweep down from the North ( one of 3 battle groups - Kherson, Zaporizhzha and Donetsk/Luhansk ) - no idea if they will target Melitopol, Berdiansk or Mariupol. Once the West bank of the dnipro is secured this is surely the next offensive. However the weather will have a big say in when the opportune moment is.
Look at where the Russians are digging trenches. Some are just north and west of Mariupol. They expect to use them - well the army does. Putin probably thinks he's marching on Paris by now after reading all the Yes-men-reports. Lol.
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He's right, isn't he?
Senior adviser to Zelenskiy warns against assuming the Russians are giving up Kherson.
Yes, trenches and anti tank structures around the perimeter of Mariupol. Russia knows they are not safe there.
Easy 10
Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Interesting that Google Streetmaps for Mariupol has been disabled, yet Kiev and Kharkiv is still active.
No, he was finding something he wanted to label as racist, thus introducing faux-racism to the thread. Russian is not one homogenous race anyway - it's a nationality.
This has been a very good thread, very informative, without anybody trying to wrangle racism into it - best keep it that way, and out of the bear pit, eh? I'm sure there must be other, more appropriate, threads available to discuss racism.
Labelling the entire Russian 'race' in the way the previous poster did is racist. I know Russian scientists and I listen to a lot of Russian music. They are just like anyone else from anywhere else. Go back and read the post that @Swansman was replying to (and also see the response he got). As I said, playing the man.
And you have made the cardinal error of arguing motive. The logical reply is that you are only saying that because.....I will refrain from going there.
Yes, it has been a good thread and there is no chance of it being binned.
jakarta
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As a matter of interest how many NSCer's have visited Russia?
Mrs Jakarta & I did some years ago (pre-COVID) and found the majority of Russians were perfectly nice EXCEPT for their World View where they were convinced that they were surrounded by enemies who wished (for some reason not given) to destroy them.
Good effort from Russian Media with no doubt Vlad giving them a helping hand...
Mrs Jakarta & I did some years ago (pre-COVID) and found the majority of Russians were perfectly nice EXCEPT for their World View where they were convinced that they were surrounded by enemies who wished (for some reason not given) to destroy them.
Good effort from Russian Media with no doubt Vlad giving them a helping hand...
ForestRowSeagull
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If you haven't i'd recommend reading Prisoners of Geography by Tim Marshall. Very interesting 40 pages or so on Russia
Insel affe
HellBilly
I have a friend who visited St Peterburg, whilst in a square they were sat on a bench and a dark suited man came and sat next to them, after a while in broken English he inquired,
Russian "Where are you from ?"
Friend "England"
Russian "Oh nice" a pause "Why are you here ?"
Friend "Urr to see and experience Russia and it's wonderful history and buildings etc"
Russian "hmmm"
a pause of a minute or so
Russian "What does the world think of Russia and President Putin?"
another pause while my friend wracked his brain on how to be diplomatic as he felt he was being interrogated.
Friend "Well in Britain we think of Russia as part of the European family historically and there is no doubt that President Putin is a strong confident leader"
Russian "hmmm Strong Leader"
He then got up and walked away without saying another word....
My friend and his wife quickly left the area.
jakarta
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Kherson is certainly important, but getting down to Mariupol will be decisive, with the Russian army then cut in two,
A few questions will be asked at the Kremlin and hopefully a few defenestrations may follow...
A few questions will be asked at the Kremlin and hopefully a few defenestrations may follow...
wunt be druv
Drat! and double drat!
I visited Russia back in the communist era when Gorbachev was president, it was certainly an eye opener, the people were very friendly and keen to talk but always seemed to be looking over their shoulder when doing so, we were followed everywhere we went and the hotel room was definitely bugged, far too much occurred to be a coincidence, but the one thing that stood out was the fear of the West, they seemed convinced we were about to Nuke them any moment, people did say to us that we were the enemy,but just shrugged and got on with their life. It was a totally alien way of life Soviet propaganda had certainly worked its "magic".