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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
- Thread starter vegster
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This. I never thought I'd say it and it is probably why I'm not a politician, but I'm getting to the stage where
I feel it is unacceptable to allow this to continue as it is. It's just death and destruction with no aim and no
point except in the mind of that utter ***t Putin. I would even go far as to say - to hell with it - let's crush the
***t come what may.
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nicko31
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Echoes of Bojo's "don't panic buy fuel" last September.
nicko31
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beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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the numbers reported are from Ukraine, so might not be 100%. Russia is substantially underreporting by a factor of 10 or so. with casualties, captured and deserted, the number of loses are substantial.
nicko31
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Its terrible but little different from what he has already done elsewhere, just look at Syria.
The Russian money supply needs to be cut off ASAP and if we all have to make sacrifices with energy so be it. Europe needs to work together to stave Putin's killing machine of cash
Getting involved militarily carries huge risks that are far greater.
vegster
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Yes, just seen that it might have been a clever bit of hacking from the Ukrainian Intelligence service. It was not an official Russian post. However, did see an article that referred to Belarus getting very large numbers of badly wounded Russian soldiers sent to them, additionally, convoys of lorries loaded with bodies travelling in by night from Ukraine...... I think they are getting pasted.
The swear filter needs work
Flex Your Head
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics
Putin's playbook for all of this was written by a fascist with pagan tendencies named Aleksandr Dugin, back in 1997.
Bearing in mind it was written in the late 90s, you can see some of it has already happened:
The United Kingdom, merely described as an "extraterritorial floating base of the U.S.", should be cut off from Europe. Cheers Brexiteers.
The discontent in the US and their gradual retreat into isolationism. Russia in Syria and so on.
And, noticeably: Ukraine should be annexed by Russia because "Ukraine as a state has no geopolitical meaning, no particular cultural import or universal significance, no geographic uniqueness, no ethnic exclusiveness, its certain territorial ambitions represents an enormous danger for all of Eurasia and, without resolving the Ukrainian problem, it is in general senseless to speak about continental politics". Ukraine should not be allowed to remain independent, unless it is cordon sanitaire, which would be inadmissible.
Putin's playbook for all of this was written by a fascist with pagan tendencies named Aleksandr Dugin, back in 1997.
Bearing in mind it was written in the late 90s, you can see some of it has already happened:
The United Kingdom, merely described as an "extraterritorial floating base of the U.S.", should be cut off from Europe. Cheers Brexiteers.
The discontent in the US and their gradual retreat into isolationism. Russia in Syria and so on.
And, noticeably: Ukraine should be annexed by Russia because "Ukraine as a state has no geopolitical meaning, no particular cultural import or universal significance, no geographic uniqueness, no ethnic exclusiveness, its certain territorial ambitions represents an enormous danger for all of Eurasia and, without resolving the Ukrainian problem, it is in general senseless to speak about continental politics". Ukraine should not be allowed to remain independent, unless it is cordon sanitaire, which would be inadmissible.
Flex Your Head
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The more I read about this fu**ed-up fascist, the more I fear where this is all going to end. How on earth can someone be a pagan yet tolerate pretty much any religion, providing it's fundamental and exerts control over the masses?!?
Bunch of shite.
"Dugin derives his worldview from that of German philosopher Martin Heidegger, who joined the Nazis and ran the University of Heidelberg for them, implementing their “racial” exclusions. Like Heidegger, Dugin sees technology as eroding identity and promoting individualism, helped by “globalist elites” seeking to control the world. His “counter-revolution” aims to end the rights, liberties, science and internet of the Western world.
Adopted by educational institutions across Russia, Dugin’s influential 1997 book Foundations Of Geopolitics advocates for Russian rule “from Dublin to Vladisvostok” using military means, disinformation and leveraging natural resources. “Eurasia” is Dugin’s term for the new Russian Empire. Long before the recent invasion, he saw Ukraine as an integral part of this vision, and that Russia not controlling Ukraine would be “an enormous danger for all of Eurasia”.
Bunch of shite.
"Dugin derives his worldview from that of German philosopher Martin Heidegger, who joined the Nazis and ran the University of Heidelberg for them, implementing their “racial” exclusions. Like Heidegger, Dugin sees technology as eroding identity and promoting individualism, helped by “globalist elites” seeking to control the world. His “counter-revolution” aims to end the rights, liberties, science and internet of the Western world.
Adopted by educational institutions across Russia, Dugin’s influential 1997 book Foundations Of Geopolitics advocates for Russian rule “from Dublin to Vladisvostok” using military means, disinformation and leveraging natural resources. “Eurasia” is Dugin’s term for the new Russian Empire. Long before the recent invasion, he saw Ukraine as an integral part of this vision, and that Russia not controlling Ukraine would be “an enormous danger for all of Eurasia”.
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
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It’s been given additional ‘historical’ justification (in Putins view) by Medinsky. Basically the Kremlin historian, who espouses this view of Ukraine having no meaning, that Putin has completely bought into. Medinsky is part of the Russian negotiating team in the peace talks.
Yup, we are being so feeble here. I also saw a stream of tweets from Kasparov, pointing out how ludicrous and weak we were being. (apologies if it’s already been posted and I’ve missed it)
https://mobile.twitter.com/kasparov63/status/1505706425129000960
One section in particular resonated:
“The West loves to lose slowly, to pass the hard choices to the next admin, shift the consequences to buffer states. Now Ukraine has exposed them because Ukraine doesn't want to lose slowly, or lose at all. Ukraine wants to win. Help them win.”
We have an opportunity to dissuade Putin from this course of action and discourage him from trying it again. It’s no surprise to me that our response so far has been “we’ve cut 20% off his pocket money and we’re all jolly cross.”
It’s exactly the sort of weak and ineffectual leadership I’ve come to expect from our current crop of politicians, who Putin has (in some cases) clearly helped elevate to their current position. It is predictably disappointing though. I’m just glad US voters had ousted Trump prior to this kicking off, and we were spared the sight of the US President declaring that Putin had been “smart” and “a genius” in organising this.
Neville's Breakfast
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Well, that chimes with a very common Western view that nation states in general have no meaning. The get rid of borders brigade. Cheers Remainers.
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
Just learn to ignore the odd post NB before reacting. You don’t do yourself any favours.
beorhthelm
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hmmm, big talk from someone who's political career melted away after minor obstacles. should really be showing more leadership in his homeland than having a whine at the west.
Neville's Breakfast
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Back to the gravamen of the thread, i.e. the Russian invasion of Ukraine,
and just look at this:
'Russian tank factory 'suspends operations' - Ukrainian intelligence'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-60830013 - at 07:44
'Ukrainian military are reporting that a company that produces and repairs Russian tanks has suspended work at its plant in the central Russian region of Chelyabinsk due to a shortage of imported parts.
In a statement posted to Facebook, the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine reports that manufacturer Uralvagonzavod has had to pause production at the facility "due to the lack of receipts of foreign-made components".
Ukrainian military information and consultancy company Defense Express reports that Uralvagonzavod provides the only plant that carries out the assembly of tanks.
It goes on to report that the manufacturer routinely uses Western components.
There are no reports referring to the Uralvagonzavod facility in Russian media and the BBC has not been able to confirm the information in the Ukrainian statement.'
and just look at this:
'Russian tank factory 'suspends operations' - Ukrainian intelligence'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-60830013 - at 07:44
'Ukrainian military are reporting that a company that produces and repairs Russian tanks has suspended work at its plant in the central Russian region of Chelyabinsk due to a shortage of imported parts.
In a statement posted to Facebook, the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine reports that manufacturer Uralvagonzavod has had to pause production at the facility "due to the lack of receipts of foreign-made components".
Ukrainian military information and consultancy company Defense Express reports that Uralvagonzavod provides the only plant that carries out the assembly of tanks.
It goes on to report that the manufacturer routinely uses Western components.
There are no reports referring to the Uralvagonzavod facility in Russian media and the BBC has not been able to confirm the information in the Ukrainian statement.'