[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Refugees. If they need to come, just let them in.

I cannot believe we would be quibbling about this. It's not like they're just coming for benefits and NHS etc, which is usually the spurious accusation levelled by the ignorant.

It's going to be almost entirely women and children. All the time, we're waiting for the Daily Mail's reaction, cynical predators will be eying an opportunity

95% are going to return as soon as it's safe to do so. Get them in here, find them somewhere to live. We'll sort the details out after the war.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

your last line (Edit) seems to be the best outcome , the guy is , despite continuous provocation by the west (America mainly under the guise of NATO ) the guy is still dangerously unhinged in his slanted view of the world ...."if there is no Russia then why do we need a planet"......wtf...?? the man who ended the world as we know it ...!!? i do believe that Nato and America have a lot to answer for ....continually poking the wasps nest has been anti- diplomacy over the last 30 years.

Not the west's fault, if the Eastern European countries Russia occupied so brutally now want absolutely nothing to do with them. But I guess i'm not the first to make this point.

 

[GT49er]

This must be the most humiliating video of all time for the Russian army. The Ukrainians sure do have a great sense of humour.

Clicked on to the wrong part of that link, and came across some rare prats, even by Twatter standards - African brothers standing with their Russian brothers against fascist Ukraine - as if Putin is doing all this to protect the rights of black Africans living and studying in Ukraine!

Give it a f***in' rest, 'brothers'!

 

[The Andy Naylor Fan Club]

A little light relief (see second comment). This one's for you [MENTION=435]Stat Brother[/MENTION]

 

[Eric the meek]

I thought Stalin died as a result of complications from a Stroke ?

Accounts vary!

This says (unproven of course) says he died from a cerebral hemorrhage and a brain hemorrhage as a result of poisoning.

https://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/05/world/new-study-supports-idea-stalin-was-poisoned.html

 

[The Clamp]

Refugees. If they need to come, just let them in.

I cannot believe we would be quibbling about this. It's not like they're just coming for benefits and NHS etc, which is usually the spurious accusation levelled by the ignorant.

It's going to be almost entirely women and children. All the time, we're waiting for the Daily Mail's reaction, cynical predators will be eying an opportunity

95% are going to return as soon as it's safe to do so. Get them in here, find them somewhere to live. We'll sort the details out after the war.

Absolutely. Every hour that women and children are on the road and away from their male relatives, they are at risk of human traffickers and other people with bad intentions.

It’s not surprising that the disgusting Tory party’s first instinct is to put obstacles in their way, only considering more helpful action when yet again, the public have to provide a moral compass for the nasty party.

 

[GT49er]

From the BBC:

'In a statement posted to Facebook, Ukrainian officials said approximately 5,300 Russian troops have been killed, and claimed that 191 tanks, 29 fighter jets, 29 helicopters and 816 armoured personnel carriers have been destroyed by Ukraine's forces.'

No wonder Putin is becoming desperate. It looks like Putin v Zelensky was indeed a mismatch, but not in the way Putin intended.

Sadly, I don't find that much more convincing than Putin's drivel. Would be great if it is true though (apart from the 5300 young lives lost needlessly).

 

[sydney]

Not the west's fault, if the Eastern European countries Russia occupied so brutally now want absolutely nothing to do with them. But I guess i'm not the first to make this point.

look mate , thats all in the past ....this is now and this guy is a bit of a loon.....the "west" would have seen this coming, and here it is.

within the next 14 days you will have a good idea wether your family have a future or not so perhaps drop the sarcasm , it is what it is .......i've been bagging China on here and you lot have been ridiculing me , well now here we are.....!!

 

[Bry Nylon]

A little light relief (see second comment). This one's for you [MENTION=435]Stat Brother[/MENTION]
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A really shocking and poignant image from a European city in the twentieth first century

The fact they think they can just do whatever the **** they think they like makes my blood boil. And those soldiers are hardly any better.

 

[Eeyore]

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It'll be on Ebay later.

 

[Stat Brother]

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It's ok they are only tanks, if it were those big BMW's the fella would be dead before he's even warmed up.



#SuspendedSentence.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Still can't really see what can be discussed at the meeting between Ukraine and Russia.

 

[beorhthelm]

A little light relief (see second comment). This one's for you [MENTION=435]Stat Brother[/MENTION] ��

there's been a theme throughout, the civilian population arent particular scared of the Russian army. probably helps they are shooting at civilians*. think they genuinely dont really know whats going on, they've gone off on some exercise, or told they're to aid Ukrainians. when they hit resistance they melt away because they dont expect to have to fight.


* i know thats not 100% but generally. scenes of civilian hits seem to be rocket/artillary that is remote, commanders may not know what they are firing on.

 

[Bry Nylon]

Still can't really see what can be discussed at the meeting between Ukraine and Russia.

I think Russia want that tank back that was towed away by a tractor.

 

[Insel affe]

Still can't really see what can be discussed at the meeting between Ukraine and Russia.

I have a feeling there won't be any discussions, more likely a very nasty accident will occur and we will not see the Ukrainian delegation ever again, if it was me in charge. I would not be going unless there were neutral armed forces present.

 

[jakarta]

I think Russia want that tank back that was towed away by a tractor.

This trio of the SAS were no doubt involved...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb63PdPweDc

 

[peterward]

I would err on the side of his nuclear rhetoric being a distraction form the fact his troops are doing as well as he’d hoped. It’s unnerving but it does need to be out into context.

Having said that, we have to work on the fact he has immense nuclear capability and is mad enough to use it. Possibly a warning detonation over the North Sea. Which would likely trigger multiple strikes around the globe.

As counter intuitive as it appears we need to have a clear de-escalation path for Putin to climb down. Leaving him zero options is the quickest way to Nuclear war. Which isn’t a war, it’s mutual destruction.

I agree but he can't walk away from this claiming any type of victory.

His huge strategic mistake and murder of innocents must be seen to be a loss (to the Russian Generals and elites). State TV will of course make up rubbish.

I'm no military man, but I read his huge mistake was in his over confidence and the Ukrainians desire and ability to fight him. If you had organised a proper multi wave blitzkrieg (rather than one wave without good logistics), he would've probably succeeded.

Let him off the hook and he's the type that will brood, go away, plot, fix the errors and try all over again. He won't accept defeat, but for a strongman defeat could be the end of this dangerous loon from within.

It's a balancing act, but off ramps are fine in the esculatory stage, now he has invaded and bombed a country he must be dealt a strategic defeat.

fwiw he won't use nukes. Ukraine is non nuclear, NATO isn't fighting Russia. He's cornered himself, and letting off a lunatic loner with all sorts of paranoias and hatred of historical injustices isbt going to improve if he's let off, it will worsen and he'll become more revengeful regardless.

This has to end here strategically. He must be seen to have gambled and lost

In saying that, it's not over yet.

 

[The Fits]

What are there guys on?

The Kremlin has accused the European Union of hostile behaviour towards Russia, saying weapons supplies to Ukraine were dangerous and destabilising and proved that Russia was right in its efforts to demilitarise its neighbour.

 

[The Clamp]

I agree but he can't walk away from this claiming any type of victory.

His huge strategic mistake and murder of innocents must be seen to be a loss (to the Russian Generals and elites). State TV will of course make up rubbish.

I'm no military man, but I read his huge mistake was in his over confidence and the Ukrainians desire and ability to fight him. If you had organised a proper multi wave blitzkrieg (rather than one wave without good logistics), he would've probably succeeded.

Let him off the hook and he's the type that will brood, go away, plot, fix the errors and try all over again. He won't accept defeat, but for a strongman defeat could be the end of this dangerous loon from within.

It's a balancing act, but off ramps are fine in the esculatory stage, now he has invaded and bombed a country he must be dealt a strategic defeat.

fwiw he won't use nukes. Ukraine is non nuclear, NATO isn't fighting Russia. He's cornered himself, and letting off a lunatic loner with all sorts of paranoias and hatred of historical injustices isbt going to improve if he's let off, it will worsen and he'll become more revengeful regardless.

This has to end here strategically. He must be seen to have gambled and lost

In saying that, it's not over yet.

What a good post.

Once this is over do you think the West will try and get to Putin / seek to neutralise Russia a bit like we did to Germany in 1945? Could we even do that?

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

What a good post.

Once this is over do you think the West will try and get to Putin / seek to neutralise Russia a bit like we did to Germany in 1945? Could we even do that?

We could it economically, to a significant degree.

If we can ween our continent off the resources Russia supplies, the nation will go bankrupt and the military capacity will greatly reduce.

Whether we will is another question

Doing it militarily? Not while they hold those warheads