[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[Eric the meek]

Encouraging mood music coming out of the Trump camp:

 

[Binney on acid]

Not razed to the ground - but some damage to Moscow and St. Petersburg to shake the influential inhabitants out of their complacency would be good.

Do you honestly think that a couple of dozen Russian corpses in either Moscow or St. Petersburg will force mister Genocide to back down ?

I'm waiting for entire Russian neighbourhoods to be reduced to a pile of rubble, and for Russians to focus on extinguishing fires on their home territory, rather than creating them in another country.

Only when this happens indiscriminately on a regular basis, will there be any likelihood of the endless slaughter of Ukrainian innocents coming to an end.

 

[raymondo]

 

[Sirnormangall]

I hope they also have to negotiate with the country in Europe that has the most experienced military, and that knows the Russians best...i.e. Ukraine.

Rosenberg reports today of a Russian newspaper saying that whatever the outcome of any peace negotiations, the threat to Russia will remain until the Kyev regime is eliminated. Russian media also contains negative comments on the impact of sanctions and the economy in general - including criticism of central and policy. More cracks appearing?

 

[Eric the meek]

Do you honestly think that a couple of dozen Russian corpses in either Moscow or St. Petersburg will force mister Genocide to back down ?

I'm waiting for entire Russian neighbourhoods to be reduced to a pile of rubble, and for Russians to focus on extinguishing fires on their home territory, rather than creating them in another country.

Only when this happens indiscriminately on a regular basis, will there be any likelihood of the endless slaughter of Ukrainian innocents coming to an end.

I agree with you but I my routemap to peace for Ukraine is a little different.
I think you mean the west/NATO going in tooled up. This may have unintended consequences.

For me, it is infinitely preferable if the reducers of entire Russian neighbourhoods to rubble, are other Russians.

Remember how the Afghan war ended? It was Russian mothers who brought it to an end. They ended it after 15000 Russian soldiers died and 35000 were injured. The Ukraine war total is 16 times as large. And counting. The combined total of dead and injured has exceeded 800,000, numbers which are of course, not published to the populace.

Can you imagine just how nuclear Russian mothers will be when they find out that Putin et al has set up fake mothers' groups to absorb any adverse campaigning by grieving Russian mothers of missing or dead soldiers? Who will the Russian mothers go for? They will go for the legislators.

So will local warlords, oppressed by Moscow for generations. Centuries.

All it needs is for the truth to reach enough Russians. Trump will know this. He may use it. He already tweeted, a few weeks ago, when casualties were a mere 700,000.
Putin will also know this. His greatest fear has always been his own people.

Keep the pressure on. Increase the sanctions. Enforce them. Clear down the shadow fleet. And then sit back, watch and enjoy the show.

Russia is collapsing. Buy the ticket. Take the ride.

 

[raymondo]

Rosenberg reports today of a Russian newspaper saying that whatever the outcome of any peace negotiations, the threat to Russia will remain until the Kyev regime is eliminated. Russian media also contains negative comments on the impact of sanctions and the economy in general - including criticism of central and policy. More cracks appearing?

Confirmation from them that it's about having a Ukrainian democracy on their doorstep that is their 'problem', and NATO is a sideshow.

 

[GT49er]

Do you honestly think that a couple of dozen Russian corpses in either Moscow or St. Petersburg will force mister Genocide to back down ?

No, of course not - never said it would. Moscow and St.P .untouched by war so far - it's time their citizens woke up and started to realise all is not as portrayed on Russian TV. Seeds of doubt, mutterings of discontent - from small acorns .....................................................