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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
- Thread starter vegster
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- Nov 11, 2009
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2 days ago they reported Ukraine was still 30km from Russian nuclear power plant at at Kursk, a few hours ago it was reported there was explosions right by it, now multiple reports Ukraine is at the NPP and its being shut down!
This, if accurate, is stunning
This, if accurate, is stunning
vegster
Sanity Clause
- May 5, 2008
- 28,272
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Russia as a country has always regarded its citizens as expendable. Because of this they regard Ukrainians as expendable too. The behaviour of the first waves of allegedly well trained soldiers towards civilians and prisoners was despicable and often a War Crime. Do the Russian authorities care ? No. Does the huge majority of the Russian population care ? No.While it is a military win for Ukraine in terms of pushing back against incursions in other parts of Ukraine (and note with appreciation your qualifying comments about the dead) these scenes of piles of dead young Russian men are frankly tragic and breaks my humanitarian heart - Putin is an absolute **** for propagating the belief in these kids that the War on Ukraine is justified or if that fails, making them serve under the threat of execution if they don’t follow orders.
This war is exacting an extortionate cost on both sides
The terrible cost of Russia’s war is being felt far beyond the battlefield
From mental health and population decline to the economy and education, the Russian invasion of Ukraine has had a profoundly negative impact on Ukrainian society that will be felt for generations to come, writes Mark Temnycky.www.atlanticcouncil.org
‘For Russia, beyond the attempts to benefit a small elite, the impact on its own military is appalling. Throughout April 2024, the pattern of Russian casualties followed the pattern we have seen so far throughout this year with an average loss of 899 soldiers per day, bringing Russian total casualties to over 465,000..., not only is this an act of aggression against a sovereign nation, it also is a testament to the contempt in which Putin regards his own people and the lengths to which he is prepared to go.’
Russia loses 899 soldiers a day in complete disregard for the lives of its own soldiers: UK statement to the OSCE
UK military advisor, Nicholas Aucott, says Russia’s human wave attacks are a grotesque approach that demonstrates the depths to which Putin will go to prop up Russian elite.www.gov.uk
I can find no sympathy for a nation and its people that brazenly shoot down airliners, torture and rig elections.
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I admire the Russian activists (living in Russia) that criticize the regime.
But, as you say, the majority of Russians do not care at all about what they've done to Ukraine, or to anyone else.
No sympathy from me.
I agree.
I admire the Russian activists (living in Russia) that criticize the regime.
But, as you say, the majority of Russians do not care at all about what they've done to Ukraine, or to anyone else.
No sympathy from me.
seagullsovergrimsby
#cpfctinpotclub
The Russian populace is more gullible having been brainwashed by state propaganda , even more gullible than Republican MAGAs in America.
- Aug 24, 2020
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David Axe of Forbes sees this as a high risk strategy by Ukraine.
He speculates that the plan may be to stretch Russian troops, exploit the resultant weaknesses, and/or do a land grab for a chunk of western Russia to use in a later trade in some future negotiation. OK. The problem I have with this analysis, is how taking the NPP fits in with this. Because it doesn't. It tells me that the plan is a bit more than nuanced than we suspect. Will the lights go out? Give Russia a taste of its own medicine?
Konstantin Samoilov details the madness. The chaos. The headless chickens in Russia right now. The lies being communicated by the Kremlin. The insanity of Maria Zakharova appealing to the international community. A few days ago, I saw coverage of Margarita Simonyan, Head of RT and the top propagandist, devoting a day to prayer, along with her husband. Yes, they are appealing to God. The top man.
It's miscalculation after miscalculation.
I think Ukraine's strategy is to deliberately cause this mayhem. Poke the bear. The first manifestation of this is a spectacular success in wiping out 14 trucks of troops.
There is no point in trying to speculate what will happen next. I have no idea. I might be right by some chance, or more likely, hopelessly wrong.
But a while ago, I suggested that as Russia steadily fails to win the war, and the money continues to run out, we should expect some strange things happening in Russia.
He speculates that the plan may be to stretch Russian troops, exploit the resultant weaknesses, and/or do a land grab for a chunk of western Russia to use in a later trade in some future negotiation. OK. The problem I have with this analysis, is how taking the NPP fits in with this. Because it doesn't. It tells me that the plan is a bit more than nuanced than we suspect. Will the lights go out? Give Russia a taste of its own medicine?
Konstantin Samoilov details the madness. The chaos. The headless chickens in Russia right now. The lies being communicated by the Kremlin. The insanity of Maria Zakharova appealing to the international community. A few days ago, I saw coverage of Margarita Simonyan, Head of RT and the top propagandist, devoting a day to prayer, along with her husband. Yes, they are appealing to God. The top man.
It's miscalculation after miscalculation.
I think Ukraine's strategy is to deliberately cause this mayhem. Poke the bear. The first manifestation of this is a spectacular success in wiping out 14 trucks of troops.
There is no point in trying to speculate what will happen next. I have no idea. I might be right by some chance, or more likely, hopelessly wrong.
But a while ago, I suggested that as Russia steadily fails to win the war, and the money continues to run out, we should expect some strange things happening in Russia.
US Seagull
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Speaking of Russian propaganda, I found this video enlightening. And pretty hilarious...
Sirnormangall
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- Sep 21, 2017
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Putin’s spin for the I’ll-informed and gullible Russians on the Ukrainian incursion will no doubt be that it demonstrates exactly who the aggressor is and why Russia is the victim and why the SMO was necessary
vegster
Sanity Clause
- May 5, 2008
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It used to be Russia that were masters of asymmetric warfare. Since the "invasion "of Crimea and the subsequent Russian annexations of Ukrainian territory the Ukrainians have learned some hard lessons. Now its payback time. Russia has to move forces to try to halt the advances in the Kursk region. These forces will have to come from the SE front and will be in range of HIMARS and ATACMS and possibly partisan actions..all the time they are moving they are not fighting but can be attacked. When moved their withdrawal weakens the SE front and possibly opens up the option for reclaiming the Crimea. Russia has to expend lots of fuel ( remember the attacks on refineries ) and put even more strain on their remaining rolling stock. Ukraine asking lots of questions and Russia has no answers.
Not too dissimilar to the dying days of the Nazis, when kids were being into battle because that's all Hitler had left.
- Aug 24, 2020
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This is good:
I particularly liked your sentence: ".....all the time they are moving they are not fighting but can be attacked."
- Aug 24, 2020
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Good NSC war thread common sense Raymondo. They are not fighting, and not dug in, in their trenches either. Rather than having to crowbar them out of their positions, it is easier to get them by the truckload.
A question for the floor: do you think we should rename the thread 'Ukraine invades Russia'?
- Aug 24, 2020
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One reply suggests that this may not be good news for Orban.
Orban can negotiate prices with Ukraine now...
Baldseagull
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No, it's a special military operation.
- Aug 24, 2020
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With special military operations, aren't you supposed to invade your neighbouring countries, rather than go into a blind panic when they invade you?
fly high
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Think he may mean Ukraine carrying out a special military operation?