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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
- Thread starter vegster
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Surely they should instead be begging Russia to drive east out of Ukraine resulting in instant peace ?
Especially Saudi Arabia...the friends of the West (not)
- Aug 24, 2020
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Some potential long-term good news: NATO considering 100bn Euro aid package to 'Trump-proof' aid for Ukraine.
news.sky.com
Ukraine war latest: Putin says Russia will begin mass production of 'unstoppable' ballistic missile
The Kremlin says that the firing of a hypersonic missile and an address by Vladimir Putin are clear messages to the West - describing the move to let Ukraine use their weapons to strike Russia as "reckless".
That would be very good indeed, and a strong (and necessary) statement.Some potential long-term good news: NATO considering 100bn Euro aid package to 'Trump-proof' aid for Ukraine.
Ukraine war latest: Putin says Russia will begin mass production of 'unstoppable' ballistic missile
The Kremlin says that the firing of a hypersonic missile and an address by Vladimir Putin are clear messages to the West - describing the move to let Ukraine use their weapons to strike Russia as "reckless".
- Aug 24, 2020
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Reports that a petrochemical plant in the Stavropol region 400 km east of Kerch, is on fire.
Is Ukraine going a bit off piste? Or is it branching out to industries downstream of the oil refineries?
Is Ukraine going a bit off piste? Or is it branching out to industries downstream of the oil refineries?
Could just be an industrial malfunction...or maybe they missed a local oil refinery
- Oct 12, 2022
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Could just be an industrial malfunction...or maybe they missed a local oil refinery
Careless cigarette is my bet. Do you know, in several decades of smoking I failed to explode a single oil refinery, depot or even petrol station forecourt?
I feel I wasted my smoking life.
The Grockle
Formally Croydon Seagull
I hope these attacks on Russian soil don't compromise any military aid.
I feel Ukraine are well within their rights to target Russia but I thought many contributors were clear on aid being for defence?
I feel Ukraine are well within their rights to target Russia but I thought many contributors were clear on aid being for defence?
Let's hope that, and yes those conditions had been said, especially by the US.
However, Ukraine now builds the majority of it's drones by itself and, frankly, what else can they do when western supplies have slowed.
American aid has stopped anyway and they are the main ones whinging about attacks on Russian soil.
- Nov 11, 2009
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Couple of important caveats.
Its only the US that's saying this about striking inside Russia the the targets are total legal in a war as part of aggressors war machine.The US position makes no sense in the context of Ukraine winning the war, it does if US goal is actually escalation management and Ukraine not losing versus actually winning.
The US hasn't agreed a new aid package for over 450 days and it's still stalled in Congress, Ukraine isn't getting aid from US right now. France is truly stepping up as the European champion and Macron says Ukraine must win and Paris endorses strikes inside Russia.
Ukraine isn't using foreign donated weapons to strike Russias refineries it has developed its own drones with ranges in excess of 1000km so US has no say or any moral imperative to ask Ukraine not too, even though they ask.
(The actual problem is Jake Sullivan, who has the ear POTUS)
- Aug 24, 2020
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Other reports put the number of explosions at 30-60, 60 and more than 60.
Whichever is correct, this would appear to be a concerted raid. Let's hope the explosions are not the usual Russian version of events with 'debris from drones being shot down' but instead a long line of Russian planes going 'Chlopok'.
- Aug 24, 2020
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- Apr 5, 2014
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It's a tactic that all states as well as the media use. In war or non war situations.
I'm strangely reminded of 1998 when The Sun hounded the referee who sent Beckham off and presented him to their sheep as a mentally unstable individual who shouldn't have been refereeing.
- Nov 11, 2009
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Wow, fingers crossed. There were allegedly a lot of ordinance fired in the area. If they took out a load of aircraft that will be as huge to Ukraine as it will be devastating to the Russian commander responsible for the airfield (avoid windows above the ground floor)