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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
- Thread starter vegster
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Brilliant driving by the operator
. When I think deeper about this I'm in awe somewhat: 1000 km(if launched from Ukraine), many hours flight, I assume piloted using both gps and onboard camera 
, fuel, payload, weather calculations...
I suspect the suspects arrested for the atrocity in the concert hall in Moscow will now give what ever evidence Putin wants them to having been beaten and tortured. One was apparently force fed part of his ear.
If guilty, I’m not saying this is what they don’t deserve. I’m just stating that anything they say now has zero credibility. They surely be told to link everything to Ukraine?
If guilty, I’m not saying this is what they don’t deserve. I’m just stating that anything they say now has zero credibility. They surely be told to link everything to Ukraine?
- Aug 24, 2020
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Ukraine are going for it in what is for them, an existential war.
This is obviously sick and what we'd expect from Russia.
But I am surprised they've still got their fake beards.
As Denys Davydov commented on his site yesterday, beneath a photo of one of the terrorists with his testicles wired to some electrical contraption..."here the Russian barbarians torture the ISIS barbarians".
You gotta love the internet sometimes: every Russian oil refinery, power station, energy pipelines and grid, probably fully available with post codes, maps and gps (everyone is so proud of their stuff...). Maybe they just use satellite data, I dunno, just makes me smile if it's all in Wikipedia.
Nobby
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None of this seems to add up.
An ISIS cell being captured?
Surely they just go out taking as many more as they can?
I wonder if these individuals are really the attackers?
Fignon's Ponytail
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that thought crossed my mind too
I too have been wondering about that... they certainly weren't suicide terrorists.
Maybe they're a subgroup that would prefer not to die, or... insert suggestions here.
Let's wait and see what ISIS say.
Out of the two terrorist groups, I'd say their reports are more reliable.
- Nov 11, 2009
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Well there's lots of theories out there. Ukraine being involved isn't plausible imho, but many do state Russia/FSB having some level of involvement and some of the reasoning is definitely worthy of scrutiny.
There's a picture of one of the 4 tajiks in the Crocus centre taken on 7th March you'd assume was some form of recon or set up (the time the US warning of an attack was made), there was a prior concert there 2 days later on Saturday 9th. Wife has seen many alleged eye witness accounts of people who say they went on 9th March, and that there were around 200 police and security people there on that night. Including by main entrance doors.
Last weekend there were none?
And only footage is so far from mobile phones, none from official CCTVs. Where is it?
Again, who knows what is really true but there's multiple suggestions that there were others already in the building that facilitated the burning down of the roof, that killed the majority and not just the 4 gunmen.
The simple fact it took over an hour for authorities to get there then another hour to go in, doesn't help but further fuel theories.
"All" whether that's 4 or more were given loads of time to finish and get away. Only then did people move in and not long after 4 fall guys are rounded up.
Again, there is footage of one person with a gun walking away from the centre on their own after incident. That's not to say they didn't meet up later with other 3 somewhere, but it also could be something nefarious.
ISIS are religious fanatics these fellas say they were motivated by money?
Now we have 4 fall guys, a narrative, no CCTV, no police/security on the night. Dubious time to respond and a good few things worthy of deeper inspection.
* fwiw - CCTV was switched off and officially "temporarily down" on the night Boris Nemtsov was gunned down on a bridge by the Kremlin.
Of course we may never know, but I'm not convinced it was just these 4.
Nobby Cybergoat
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- Jul 19, 2021
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Will it ever matter what the truth turns out to be?
Yes, I think it does matter...but I'm doubtful the truth will become public.
Absolutely... given how the situation has unfolded I find it impossible NOT to be suspicious.
Summary of weapon production within Ukraine. Halfway through it says that Ukraine already produces 90% of it's drone needs. That's far higher than I imagined.
news.online.ua
Ukraine begins production of 640 km range missiles and air defence systems — online.ua
Ukrainian factories produce shells, mortars, military vehicles, missiles, and other items necessary to the military effort.
news.online.ua
Nobby Cybergoat
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Along with supporting the military of Ukraine, we must also be supporting the industry with things like specialist machinery and trainingSummary of weapon production within Ukraine. Halfway through it says that Ukraine already produces 90% of it's drone needs. That's far higher than I imagined.
Ukraine begins production of 640 km range missiles and air defence systems — online.ua
Ukrainian factories produce shells, mortars, military vehicles, missiles, and other items necessary to the military effort.
I reckon most of the non-Russian world will be wondering that!
- Aug 24, 2020
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I remember reading (sorry, can't recall where) that Ukraine has a huge cottage industry making home-made drones. I'm pretty sure it said there were thousands of households/small factories that were making them. So the Russians can't bomb the factories, as 1) there are thousands of them and 2) they don't know where they are. And it appears they can't easily defend Russian infrastructure against them either.Summary of weapon production within Ukraine. Halfway through it says that Ukraine already produces 90% of it's drone needs. That's far higher than I imagined.
Ukraine begins production of 640 km range missiles and air defence systems — online.ua
Ukrainian factories produce shells, mortars, military vehicles, missiles, and other items necessary to the military effort.
Here's David Axe writing for Forbes:
Ukraine Has Developed 15 Kinds Of Long-Range Strike Drone—And Has Sortied Them Against Russia’s Oil Industry
In a year of raids targeting a dozen refineries and depots in western Russia, the Ukrainian intelligence directorate has reduced Russia’s refinery capacity by 12 percent.
www.forbes.com
Brilliant if trueI remember reading (sorry, can't recall where) that Ukraine has a huge cottage industry making home-made drones. I'm pretty sure it said there were thousands of households/small factories that were making them. So the Russians can't bomb the factories, as 1) there are thousands of them and 2) they don't know where they are. And it appears they can't easily defend Russian infrastructure against them either.
Here's David Axe writing for Forbes:
Ukraine Has Developed 15 Kinds Of Long-Range Strike Drone—And Has Sortied Them Against Russia’s Oil Industry
In a year of raids targeting a dozen refineries and depots in western Russia, the Ukrainian intelligence directorate has reduced Russia’s refinery capacity by 12 percent.