[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[Eric the meek]

'Scenes the Kremlin didn't want to see'

Ukraine war latest: 'Uncle Sam isn't Uncle Sucker,' US tells NATO - as Zelenskyy sends peace deal warning

The US defence secretary has told NATO to spend more on defence. Meanwhile, after the Trump-Putin call prompted fears Ukraine would be frozen out of peace talks, the Kremlin has said Kyiv will be involved "one way or another". Listen to the Trump 100 podcast as you scroll.

news.sky.com

I noticed the following in the article:

In a call with reporters on Friday morning, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov was asked about Alexei Navalny.
"The Kremlin doesn't have anything to say to Navalny's family on the day of his funeral," he says.
He declines to give any assessment of Navalny as a political figure.
Peskov also reiterates that any unsanctioned gatherings violate the law.
"Accordingly, those who participate in them will be held accountable," he says.

 

[hampshirebrightonboy]

you go through a proper process with established international agreement. you dont just dip into their accounts without a legally sound basis.
Nazi gold was stolen wasn't it? so it gets returned to the orginal owner. yes, it would be unethical and illegal* to seize the crazed lunatic's money, you want some law for perpetrators to have their money seized in certain conditions. otherwise you end up with all sorts of people having assets seized and stolen by the state beacuse they did unrelated bad things. rule of law is a foundation of the western liberal democracies, not summary justice.

* there is law on proceeds of crime that might apply, aimed at confiscating money from criminal activity.

No think we should seize the money and let them take us to court. See how that goes.

 

[raymondo]

'Scenes the Kremlin didn't want to see'

Ukraine war latest: 'Uncle Sam isn't Uncle Sucker,' US tells NATO - as Zelenskyy sends peace deal warning

The US defence secretary has told NATO to spend more on defence. Meanwhile, after the Trump-Putin call prompted fears Ukraine would be frozen out of peace talks, the Kremlin has said Kyiv will be involved "one way or another". Listen to the Trump 100 podcast as you scroll.

news.sky.com

I noticed the following in the article:

In a call with reporters on Friday morning, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov was asked about Alexei Navalny.
"The Kremlin doesn't have anything to say to Navalny's family on the day of his funeral," he says.
He declines to give any assessment of Navalny as a political figure.
Peskov also reiterates that any unsanctioned gatherings violate the law.
"Accordingly, those who participate in them will be held accountable," he says.

They'll need to hold hundreds if not thousands then.

 

[Eric the meek]

They'll need to hold hundreds if not thousands then.

The danger to the Kremlin, is organised gatherings. Divide and conquer. When people gather, they can exchange news and ideas, and plot against the state.

It is easy to be cynical, resigned, silent, but there are a lot of brave people at that funeral. Many others won't be as courageous, but will feel the same way and be watching. We could be at the very beginning of something significant.

Alexei Navalny RIP.

 

[fly high]

Wow, just wow. Brave people, looks like they are being filmed by cowards.

 

[Eric the meek]

'We are not afraid' - chants by the crowd.

Edit: It's reported that they are also chanting 'No to war', 'We will not forget', and 'Murderers'.

 

[beorhthelm]

No think we should seize the money and let them take us to court. See how that goes.

would be embarrassing if they then won in court. then have to pay back.

 

[JamesAndTheGiantHead]

It’s a free lunch as far as the KGB (or whatever they’re masquerading as these days) are concerned. Enemies of the state voluntarily lining up for a photoshoot to be added to the list.



Fair play to everyone that turned out.

 

[raymondo]

'We are not afraid' - chants by the crowd.

Edit: It's reported that they are also chanting 'No to war', 'We will not forget', and 'Murderers'.

Incredibly brave emotional reaction

 

[raymondo]

Wow, just wow. Brave people, looks like they are being filmed by cowards.

Incredible really...these very brave people are the tip of an iceberg hopefully

 

[hampshirebrightonboy]

would be embarrassing if they then won in court. then have to pay back.

Should be in the The Hague with Putin putting his case forward.

 

[Eric the meek]

Incredible really...these very brave people are the tip of an iceberg hopefully

Let's hope so. Here is the Navalny team Youtube channel.

6.38m subscribers, 255,000 watching it live. Look at the volume of the messages incoming.

(I've no idea if it is accessible inside Russia, nor what proportion Russians make towards those numbers).



(Google it first and watch it on YT to see the numbers).

 

[brighton_dave]

would be embarrassing if they then won in court. then have to pay back.

To be very blunt, if they won in court, and we were in a place where the t*unts had been forced out of Ukraine, I'd take that. If that meant my tax rate goes up, so be it.
Too many people lose sight that people are more important than money.
I'd pay with a smile on my face knowing what I'm paying back stopped the torture in Ukraine.

If it weren't for my wife and kids I'd be out there too, that is for certain. All we can do is support them however we can.

 

[brighton_dave]

Let's hope so. Here is the Navalny team Youtube channel.

6.38m subscribers, 255,000 watching it live. Look at the volume of the messages incoming.

(I've no idea if it is accessible inside Russia, nor what proportion Russians make towards those numbers).



(Google it first and watch it on YT to see the numbers).

Emotional that. Seeing how brave they are given the potential consequences. Too many people take for granted how lucky they are to have been born in GB. I can't imagine living in such a country.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

To be very blunt, if they won in court, and we were in a place where the t*unts had been forced out of Ukraine, I'd take that. If that meant my tax rate goes up, so be it.
Too many people lose sight that people are more important than money.
I'd pay with a smile on my face knowing what I'm paying back stopped the torture in Ukraine.

If it weren't for my wife and kids I'd be out there too, that is for certain. All we can do is support them however we can.

Even this large amount of money is symbolic in the scheme of the amount needed to wage a war on this scale. It won't tip the balance.

I as a UK tax payer would be furious if my tax money had to be paid to Russia because they won in a UK court because my government hadn't carried out due dilligence.

We need to get Ukraine the money, but we need to make sure we're going through the correct legal challenge. As this will presumably take time, we can up the amount of armaments we transfer and up our domestic manufacture to help back fill

 

[brighton_dave]

Even this large amount of money is symbolic in the scheme of the amount needed to wage a war on this scale. It won't tip the balance.

I as a UK tax payer would be furious if my tax money had to be paid to Russia because they won in a UK court because my government hadn't carried out due dilligence.

We need to get Ukraine the money, but we need to make sure we're going through the correct legal challenge. As this will presumably take time, we can up the amount of armaments we transfer and up our domestic manufacture to help back filling.

Even this large amount of money is symbolic in the scheme of the amount needed to wage a war on this scale. It won't tip the balance.

I as a UK tax payer would be furious if my tax money had to be paid to Russia because they won in a UK court because my government hadn't carried out due dilligence.

We need to get Ukraine the money, but we need to make sure we're going through the correct legal challenge. As this will presumably take time, we can up the amount of armaments we transfer and up our domestic manufacture to help back fill

I probably articulated that very badly. Yes I wouldn't agree we should have to pay it back, but if it meant peace, so be it.
That's just my view. Release the money now before it's too late and worry about anything else afterwards.
If Russia were to take legal action to recovery funds, we could surely offset that with Ukraine suing Russia.

 

[brighton_dave]

Gives hope..

Ukraine is pushing Russia back in one absolutely crucial area

The tide may just be starting to turn

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Let's admire the ordinary Russians brave enough to turn out for Navalny's funeral. I hope they all stay safe.

 

[fly high]

Gives hope..

Ukraine is pushing Russia back in one absolutely crucial area

The tide may just be starting to turn

www.telegraph.co.uk

Really hope so.

 

[Insel affe]

Let's admire the ordinary Russians brave enough to turn out for Navalny's funeral. I hope they all stay safe.

I am pretty sure they are crisis actors bused in from Atlanta