- Oct 17, 2008
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Is the c**t dead yet? Just takes one patriotic Russian General a second to pull a trigger.
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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
- Thread starter vegster
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Just one...ffs. There must be one.
As we've said before though, it's really just rolling the dice. A new leader may want peace (and can conveniently blame everything on Putin) ..... or he may be even worse and make Putin look like Paddy Ashdown.
But yeah, we're at the stage where I say let's roll those dice ...
Worried Man Blues
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Snake eyes................
hampshirebrightonboy
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- Sep 3, 2011
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Looks like the Russians have lost another A-50.
- Aug 24, 2020
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Incredibly, The Russian Air Force Has Lost Another One Of Its Rare A-50 Radar Planes
Incredibly, the Russian air force has lost another one of its rare Beriev A-50U/M Mainstay radar early-warning planes. Reportedly to Ukrainian action.
www.forbes.com
- Aug 24, 2020
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'its altitude allows it to see further around the curvature of the earth'
This article, from early December details UK MOD intelligence from November, reporting that Russia is taking on more risk in using their most advanced A-50 spy plane to identify airborne targets in Ukraine airspace. Result: Ukraine has bagged another one.
'Major Russian losses, with no replacements'
'Fear of western fighters'
breakingdefense.com
This article, from early December details UK MOD intelligence from November, reporting that Russia is taking on more risk in using their most advanced A-50 spy plane to identify airborne targets in Ukraine airspace. Result: Ukraine has bagged another one.
'Major Russian losses, with no replacements'
'Fear of western fighters'
Why Russia now has to use its A-50U closer to the fight in Ukraine - Breaking Defense
"They will have to decide what costs them more: to lose one or more of these A-50s or to continue to see their combat aircraft and S-400 units progressively degraded," a Ukrainian expert told Breaking Defense.
breakingdefense.com
- Aug 24, 2020
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'Ukraine advises civilians to avoid using Crimean bridge
Civilians have been urged to avoid using the Crimean bridge, with Ukraine's defence intelligence chief warning "new surprises" await Russia.'
Ukraine war latest: Russia 'strongly signals' plan for Ukraine when Trump becomes president
The Kremlin is attempting to dictate the terms of any potential "peace" negotiations with Ukraine before Donald Trump's inauguration, a respected think tank says. Watch a report from chief correspondent Stuart Ramsay on the frontline with Ukraine's drone hunters below.
That abomination of a bridge needs to be blown into the black sea.'Ukraine advises civilians to avoid using Crimean bridge
Civilians have been urged to avoid using the Crimean bridge, with Ukraine's defence intelligence chief warning "new surprises" await Russia.'
Ukraine war latest: Russia 'strongly signals' plan for Ukraine when Trump becomes president
The Kremlin is attempting to dictate the terms of any potential "peace" negotiations with Ukraine before Donald Trump's inauguration, a respected think tank says. Watch a report from chief correspondent Stuart Ramsay on the frontline with Ukraine's drone hunters below.news.sky.com
- Aug 24, 2020
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It's unusual (for Ukraine) that they've pre-announced it, but it was a fair bet that they would do something big in the run up to the Russian presidential election.
Perhaps it's a decoy for something else, or a way to take a close look at the Russian defences on the bridge.
- Aug 24, 2020
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If anyone was wondering why the Ukraine counter-offensive failed last year, the plans “were on the Kremlin’s table” before the long-awaited offensive began.
'Ukraine-Russia war: Zelensky makes duplicates after counter-offensive plans leaked to Moscow'
www.telegraph.co.uk
'Ukraine-Russia war: Zelensky makes duplicates after counter-offensive plans leaked to Moscow'
Ukraine-Russia war: Zelensky makes duplicates after counter-offensive plans leaked to Moscow
Ukraine’s counter-offensive plans were leaked to Russia last year, Volodymyr Zelensky said on Sunday.
www.telegraph.co.uk
- Oct 20, 2022
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Nato and EU states 'considering sending troops to Ukraine' says Slovakian PM
The prime minister of Slovakia has claimed that Nato and EU member states are preparing to deploy troops to Ukraine.
www.telegraph.co.uk
Personally I think Parliament should seriously debate the possibility that the time has come to get some NATO boots in there - this has gone on long enough and despite Ukraine’s bravery and bravado, they are suffering heavy losses and losing ground in some places.
I am so fed up with the West’s half arsed attitude towards supporting Ukraine - what does ’support’ even mean if it is merely to plug the dyke with a finger? All that is happing is Ukraine is at best treading water. If NATO sees Ukraine as a buffer zone between the East and West ( which they do in EU Countries) then it needs to ensure its sovereign integrity. I’m certainly not a hawk but we have gone to war for far less. Putin is a world class twunt who is banking on the West not wanting to get into a direct conflict with Russian troops - he will keep exploiting that.
The only stumbling block to military action would be the US - which is not directly threatened by having Russia or a Russian occupied country on its borders. The US rarely acts unless it’s in its own direct best interests these days - even getting funding to supply arms to Ukraine is like squeezing blood out of a stone now as far as Congress is concerned - the EU and UK may end up going alone on this as we did at the beginning of the second world war. That shouldn’t deter EU countries and some NATO countries acting without US involvement though - at least not at this stage.
Sorry for the rant.
Russia-Ukraine war: several Nato and EU members considering sending soldiers to Ukraine, Slovak PM claims – as it happened | Ukraine | The Guardian
Robert Fico has long opposed military supplies to Ukraine and has taken a position seen by some critics as pro-Russian
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I can't see any real way now of stopping that **** unless we shit on him from every angle. US or no US.Nato and EU states 'considering sending troops to Ukraine' says Slovakian PM
The prime minister of Slovakia has claimed that Nato and EU member states are preparing to deploy troops to Ukraine.
Personally I think Parliament should seriously debate the possibility that the time has come to get some NATO boots in there - this has gone on long enough and despite Ukraine’s bravery and bravado, they are suffering heavy losses and losing ground in some places.
I am so fed up with the West’s half arsed attitude towards supporting Ukraine - what does ’support’ even mean if it is merely to plug the dyke with a finger? All that is happing is Ukraine is at best treading water. If NATO sees Ukraine as a buffer zone between the East and West ( which they do in EU Countries) then it needs to ensure its sovereign integrity. I’m certainly not a hawk but we have gone to war for far less. Putin is a world class twunt who is banking on the West not wanting to get into a direct conflict with Russian troops - he will keep exploiting that.
The only stumbling block to military action would be the US - which is not directly threatened by having Russia or a Russian occupied country on its borders. The US rarely acts unless it’s in its own direct best interests these days - even getting funding to supply arms to Ukraine is like squeezing blood out of a stone now as far as Congress is concerned - the EU and UK may end up going alone on this as we did at the beginning of the second world war. That shouldn’t deter EU countries and some NATO countries acting without US involvement though - at least not at this stage.
Sorry for the rant.
Russia-Ukraine war: several Nato and EU members considering sending soldiers to Ukraine, Slovak PM claims – as it happened | Ukraine | The Guardian
Robert Fico has long opposed military supplies to Ukraine and has taken a position seen by some critics as pro-Russian
I can't see troops from the EU or UK being put on the ground in Ukraine (not yet at least) but I hope these discussions will speed up production and supply of weapons and ammo.Nato and EU states 'considering sending troops to Ukraine' says Slovakian PM
The prime minister of Slovakia has claimed that Nato and EU member states are preparing to deploy troops to Ukraine.
Personally I think Parliament should seriously debate the possibility that the time has come to get some NATO boots in there - this has gone on long enough and despite Ukraine’s bravery and bravado, they are suffering heavy losses and losing ground in some places.
I am so fed up with the West’s half arsed attitude towards supporting Ukraine - what does ’support’ even mean if it is merely to plug the dyke with a finger? All that is happing is Ukraine is at best treading water. If NATO sees Ukraine as a buffer zone between the East and West ( which they do in EU Countries) then it needs to ensure its sovereign integrity. I’m certainly not a hawk but we have gone to war for far less. Putin is a world class twunt who is banking on the West not wanting to get into a direct conflict with Russian troops - he will keep exploiting that.
The only stumbling block to military action would be the US - which is not directly threatened by having Russia or a Russian occupied country on its borders. The US rarely acts unless it’s in its own direct best interests these days - even getting funding to supply arms to Ukraine is like squeezing blood out of a stone now as far as Congress is concerned - the EU and UK may end up going alone on this as we did at the beginning of the second world war. That shouldn’t deter EU countries and some NATO countries acting without US involvement though - at least not at this stage.
Sorry for the rant.
Russia-Ukraine war: several Nato and EU members considering sending soldiers to Ukraine, Slovak PM claims – as it happened | Ukraine | The Guardian
Robert Fico has long opposed military supplies to Ukraine and has taken a position seen by some critics as pro-Russian
I'm sure much more could be done to procure shells from other places in the world.
PS explosions reported last night near Sebastopol, Crimea
Nobby Cybergoat
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- Jul 19, 2021
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I'd be in favour as well. But we have to be open that this would mean heavy British casualties and a very high risk of escalation.Nato and EU states 'considering sending troops to Ukraine' says Slovakian PM
The prime minister of Slovakia has claimed that Nato and EU member states are preparing to deploy troops to Ukraine.
Personally I think Parliament should seriously debate the possibility that the time has come to get some NATO boots in there - this has gone on long enough and despite Ukraine’s bravery and bravado, they are suffering heavy losses and losing ground in some places.
I am so fed up with the West’s half arsed attitude towards supporting Ukraine - what does ’support’ even mean if it is merely to plug the dyke with a finger? All that is happing is Ukraine is at best treading water. If NATO sees Ukraine as a buffer zone between the East and West ( which they do in EU Countries) then it needs to ensure its sovereign integrity. I’m certainly not a hawk but we have gone to war for far less. Putin is a world class twunt who is banking on the West not wanting to get into a direct conflict with Russian troops - he will keep exploiting that.
The only stumbling block to military action would be the US - which is not directly threatened by having Russia or a Russian occupied country on its borders. The US rarely acts unless it’s in its own direct best interests these days - even getting funding to supply arms to Ukraine is like squeezing blood out of a stone now as far as Congress is concerned - the EU and UK may end up going alone on this as we did at the beginning of the second world war. That shouldn’t deter EU countries and some NATO countries acting without US involvement though - at least not at this stage.
Sorry for the rant.
Russia-Ukraine war: several Nato and EU members considering sending soldiers to Ukraine, Slovak PM claims – as it happened | Ukraine | The Guardian
Robert Fico has long opposed military supplies to Ukraine and has taken a position seen by some critics as pro-Russian
Surely much easier is to provide them with weapons and equipment. What did we give them? 13 Tanks? We've still only given them tiny proportions of the equipment we have. Ammo is even more critical. We can backfill from other countries, mostly the US.
And most importantly of all, we can enforce sanctions. Close this loophole where we're just sending everything via central Asia instead and we're buying Russian oil via India. It's hard to do, but we can do more.
On all of this, as ever, our government hasn't matched it's rhetoric with action
Do you think there is a school of thought that says all the time Putin is bogged down in Ukraine, he can't attack anyone else? i.e. NATO countries? And the longer this stalemate goes on, the more time NATO has to prepare for when he does decide to attack a NATO state?Nato and EU states 'considering sending troops to Ukraine' says Slovakian PM
The prime minister of Slovakia has claimed that Nato and EU member states are preparing to deploy troops to Ukraine.
Personally I think Parliament should seriously debate the possibility that the time has come to get some NATO boots in there - this has gone on long enough and despite Ukraine’s bravery and bravado, they are suffering heavy losses and losing ground in some places.
I am so fed up with the West’s half arsed attitude towards supporting Ukraine - what does ’support’ even mean if it is merely to plug the dyke with a finger? All that is happing is Ukraine is at best treading water. If NATO sees Ukraine as a buffer zone between the East and West ( which they do in EU Countries) then it needs to ensure its sovereign integrity. I’m certainly not a hawk but we have gone to war for far less. Putin is a world class twunt who is banking on the West not wanting to get into a direct conflict with Russian troops - he will keep exploiting that.
The only stumbling block to military action would be the US - which is not directly threatened by having Russia or a Russian occupied country on its borders. The US rarely acts unless it’s in its own direct best interests these days - even getting funding to supply arms to Ukraine is like squeezing blood out of a stone now as far as Congress is concerned - the EU and UK may end up going alone on this as we did at the beginning of the second world war. That shouldn’t deter EU countries and some NATO countries acting without US involvement though - at least not at this stage.
Sorry for the rant.
Russia-Ukraine war: several Nato and EU members considering sending soldiers to Ukraine, Slovak PM claims – as it happened | Ukraine | The Guardian
Robert Fico has long opposed military supplies to Ukraine and has taken a position seen by some critics as pro-Russian
- Aug 24, 2020
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I would have thought that has been the school of thought in the Pentagon for the past two years.
Containment.
Drip feed just enough weapons to Ukraine to slowly drain Russia of personnel, money and morale. Not good for Ukraine, but good for the west with no boots on the ground. Or none that we know about anyway.
Now the narrative is a little different, with Russia making small advances, emboldened by western procrastination.
Keep an eye on Moldova/Transnistria. I saw a report suggesting that rebels were to 'ask Moscow for help'.
Yes, far easier and more acceptable (in many ways) to supply more and faster weapons and ammo. This planet is full of shells... go and buy them and transfer to Ukraine. Help Ukraine make drones and long distance missiles faster.
And yes, close the loophole (posted by @A1X last week) whereby vehicles and spare parts are procured 'by' Armenia, Georgia, Kazakhstan etc for onward delivery to Russia. Come on, governments...start doing the harder stuff ffs.