He also says he believes that Putin’s intention is to reunite the former Soviet Union. Given that three of those countries are now NATO members, that would clearly be a problem should that be the case and he decides to go through with it.
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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
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He also says he believes that Putin’s intention is to reunite the former Soviet Union. Given that three of those countries are now NATO members, that would clearly be a problem should that be the case and he decides to go through with it.
Neville's Breakfast
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I’m sorry but that is incoherent gibberish. I never said any such thing. There is simply no way to debate with this kind of attitude which is why you need to take this stuff to the Bear Pit.
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TomandJerry
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TomandJerry
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If those three countries suddenly leave NATO, or choose to join Russia, on the other hand...
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Neville's Breakfast
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I taught in an SEN school and had one class all with a diagnosis of Asperger’s. They were all as different from one another as any of my mainstream classes. You also can’t make diagnoses without the presence of the subject. I would take that article with a pinch of salt.
TomandJerry
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Joe Biden says cutting Russia off from the global Swift banking system is not being proposed "right now".
He says the sanctions already proposed on all the banks are of equal consequence and perhaps even exceed banning Russia from Swift.
"Let's have a conversation in another month or so to see if they're working," he says.
He says the move "is always an option but right now it's not the position the rest of Europe wishes to take."
UK PM Boris Johnson said earlier there was a potential to use Swift as a sanction and "nothing is off the table".
Ukraine are furious.
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He says the sanctions already proposed on all the banks are of equal consequence and perhaps even exceed banning Russia from Swift.
"Let's have a conversation in another month or so to see if they're working," he says.
He says the move "is always an option but right now it's not the position the rest of Europe wishes to take."
UK PM Boris Johnson said earlier there was a potential to use Swift as a sanction and "nothing is off the table".
Ukraine are furious.
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If you read the report, which goes into the most extraordinary detail, you will see that is how they advise people to interact with him.
'If you need to do things with him, you don't want to be in a big state affair but more of one-on-one situation someplace somewhere quiet'.
The most interesting piece for me, is this:
'Both reports, the 2008 study of Putin and a 2011 analysis of Putin and then-President Dimitry Medvedev, cite Putin's physical difficulties as shaping his decision making and behavior. "His primary form of compensation is extreme control," which "is reflected in his decision style and how he governs,".
Think back to the video of his security council meeting, with them all in a semi-circle in front of him, and him at his desk a long way away. That was extreme control.
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Just feel for all the innocent people involved. Never asked for this.
Weststander
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Ukrainians from the very top to the man on the street.
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Could you even imagine what a taskforce to stop Russian State supported investments/influence/power, with no political interference/direction/veto could do in the UK alone ?
Of course not, because it will never happen. But the problems are definitely everywhere else. And meanwhile kids die
I trust some media. I trust some reporters on the ground. Not all media is bad. You just have to stick with historically reliable sources.
Anyway, if I’m going to debate the realities of this situation, it won’t be with you. No offence but you’re something of a space cadet
This is afaik the only longer interview made by international media with Vladimir Putin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbY0VpyjtuI
I dont think he has the classical set of flaws, and I doubt you can be autistic and lead Russia for 20+ years.
People laughed at Donald Trump because he is so obviously incompetent and narcissistic. They laughed at Jeltsin because he was a drunk. They laugh at Boris because he is so insecure. Similar could be said for a bunch of other leaders.
I dont think this is the case with Xi or Vlad. I think they are two very intelligent, sane and patient men, playing the long game and that this is - subconsciously perhaps - why people are afraid of them. If we exclude the whole good or bad thing and just look at competence and intelligence, they are on a different planet than most western leaders. Invading Ukraine is not some kind of impulsive decision, it is carefully planned.
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I take your point in that they are all different. But how do you know how asperger's manifests itself when they grow into adults? I certainly don't.
Neither do I know if you can make a diagnosis of asperger's at a distance. How are you so sure you can't?
The Pentagon will have a library of material, with many, many videos on Putin. How close to the subject do you need to be to make a diagnosis?
Do you understand what I'm doing? I'm not claiming that Putin has got asperger's. I'm claiming that it is more likely than not, that the report is being revisited right now.
Lower West Stander
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Just back home after a very turbulent day in the financial markets.
All things Russian have been absolutely smacked. It’s going to take a long time for them to recover from this. Sure they have plenty of financial reserves but with no ability to raise debt for any Russian company and banks denied access to foreign currency, this will really hurt them.
The average Russian in the street is really going to suffer - and that’s outside all the needless death he’s causing in Ukraine.
As one of our economists said on the morning call: “He’s brought Russia up from its bootstraps, how could he be so stupid?”
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All things Russian have been absolutely smacked. It’s going to take a long time for them to recover from this. Sure they have plenty of financial reserves but with no ability to raise debt for any Russian company and banks denied access to foreign currency, this will really hurt them.
The average Russian in the street is really going to suffer - and that’s outside all the needless death he’s causing in Ukraine.
As one of our economists said on the morning call: “He’s brought Russia up from its bootstraps, how could he be so stupid?”
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dejavuatbtn
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Yeah, I live in hope that millions of them pack the streets but am not holding my breath.
Interesting. It's up to the Russian people then to resist somehow get this **** out.
Weststander
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Could you even imagine what a taskforce to stop Russian State supported investments/influence/power, with no political interference/direction/veto could do in the UK alone ?
Of course not, because it will never happen. But the problems are definitely everywhere else. And meanwhile kids die
Although UK politicians across the House of Commons tonight called for Russia and Belarus to be thrown out of the SWIFT banking system. By all accounts, that would cripple Russia.
Then Biden, intimating that the rest of Europe’s with him, in the last hour said he doesn’t want that to happen. So it won’t.
Whilst France and Germany’s appeasement and chasing trade approach has backfired, only a few weeks ago France decided a Russian invasion was not on the cards.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/26/nato-allies-policy-russia-ukraine-analysis
Time for Biden to stop being a dillydallying fence-sitter and with the rest of the west to get serious about the full array of financial sanctions, starting today.
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They’ll disappear for ‘treason’.
TomandJerry
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Imagine if Trump was in power... Probably why Putin waited.
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