Nobby
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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
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It's on the Guardian citing the UK ambassador to Ukraine among others
If it's a fake then Reuters, The Telegraph, The Guardian... list goes on and on... have all fallen for it.
The water hits Kherson City in under 24 hours.
jakarta
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Apologies, can't believe the BBC were so behind...
- Aug 24, 2020
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The BBC have recently introduced a new service - BBC Verify, to validate news as it comes in. I assume it was brought in to handle news items on the war.
No doubt it was done with the best of intentions, but when major news breaks as it has done this morning, its disadvantages become apparent.
No, it's real.
Nova Kakovka dam (under Russian control) has been blown. Devastating flooding will now occur downstream wiping out loads of settlements and making it almost impossible for Ukraine to cross in the water, bog/mud.
Upstream it's this body of water that is absolutely necessary to cool the Zaporizhia nuclear power plant reactors (also under Russian control).
Its a huge war crime that will devastate southernin the coming hours.
It was widely reported months ago, Russua had mined dam, and they've been evacuating people/settlements on left bank for months. Ukraine say Russia did it, Russia deny and say either nothing happened or Ukraine did it.
This will almost completely halt any Ukrainian attempt to get to Crimea or south Kherson/Melitipol for months if not this year.
Edit: Russia now claiming it happened merely due to damage (and not Ukraine) which only leaves Russia did it, or damage as they claim..... what's your money on?
Yet more crimes from Russia, and as you point out...this is MAJOR. As Kuleba says this morning...these actions will not stop until Russia are kicked out of Ukraine. Give them the jets.
schmunk
Why oh why oh why?
Nobby Cybergoat
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I think bought in more generally to counter the rising threat of misinformation, deep fakes and eroding trust in journalism. They will be last to everything now, but eventually the other broadcasters will all be fooled into reporting something false. It's swings and roundabouts
- Aug 24, 2020
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I read that as well as the obvious risk of flooding to thousands, and the potential risk to the ZNPP, the water supply to Crimea is fed from the Kakhovka reservoir.
So Russia has deliberately compromised the water supply to its beloved Crimea.
It knows its going to lose Crimea. So it wants to make it as uninhabitable as it can for Ukrainians.
So Russia has deliberately compromised the water supply to its beloved Crimea.
It knows its going to lose Crimea. So it wants to make it as uninhabitable as it can for Ukrainians.
Yes, they're a bit slow...
Machiavelli
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Well, it led the 6am news bulletin of the Today programme. Maybe the BBC isn't as monolithic as you claim. Journalists/broadcasters have different requirements for verification, I think that's a good thing. I'm less concerned about who breaks news first, although have to accept that it's a key criteria for many these days.
Ukraine should try to blow the Kerch bridge now, no? The Russians need to feel the fear more.
I read on one of the feeds this morning that the flooding would stop Ukraine's attempts to retake Crimea for a year...?? I'm not sure I believe that...some reliable military analysis needed.
Ukraine may still have accessible routes south either through Melitopol or to the east of there. I don't know enough... I'm just guessing.
So the Russian line is now just a Simpsons reference?
This from the ISW (Institute for the Study of War) strongly suggesting Russia are moving their Black Sea Fleet logistics away from Crimea because of pressures and strikes from Ukraine:
"The Russian Black Sea Fleet is attempting to mitigate complications with logistical support in occupied Crimea by shifting resources to mainland Russia. Ukrainian Southern Operational Command Spokesperson Natalia Humenyuk reported on June 5 that Russian forces are transferring the Black Sea Fleet’s logistics centers from Sevastopol, occupied Crimea, to Novorossiysk, Krasnodar Krai.[21] Humenyuk stated that Russian forces are moving the logistics centers because of widespread logistical and ammunition provision issues in occupied Crimea.[22] Humenyuk noted that Russian amphibious ships are continuing to maneuver in the Black Sea and enter Sevastopol, but that the overall center of gravity of the Black Sea Fleet appears to be shifting towards Novorossiysk.[23] Recent strikes on Russian concentration areas, logistics hubs, and transportation assets in southern Ukraine may be causing increased anxiety over the security of the Black Sea Fleet, and the move to Krasnodar Krai is likely in part reflective of this fact."
"The Russian Black Sea Fleet is attempting to mitigate complications with logistical support in occupied Crimea by shifting resources to mainland Russia. Ukrainian Southern Operational Command Spokesperson Natalia Humenyuk reported on June 5 that Russian forces are transferring the Black Sea Fleet’s logistics centers from Sevastopol, occupied Crimea, to Novorossiysk, Krasnodar Krai.[21] Humenyuk stated that Russian forces are moving the logistics centers because of widespread logistical and ammunition provision issues in occupied Crimea.[22] Humenyuk noted that Russian amphibious ships are continuing to maneuver in the Black Sea and enter Sevastopol, but that the overall center of gravity of the Black Sea Fleet appears to be shifting towards Novorossiysk.[23] Recent strikes on Russian concentration areas, logistics hubs, and transportation assets in southern Ukraine may be causing increased anxiety over the security of the Black Sea Fleet, and the move to Krasnodar Krai is likely in part reflective of this fact."
Nobby Cybergoat
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It was worth us sending those Storm Shadows then
Nobby Cybergoat
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Nova Kakovka dam (under Russian control) has been blown. Devastating flooding will now occur downstream wiping out loads of settlements and making it almost impossible for Ukraine to cross in the water, bog/mud.
Upstream it's this body of water that is absolutely necessary to cool the Zaporizhia nuclear power plant reactors (also under Russian control).
Its a huge war crime that will devastate southern
It was widely reported months ago, Russua had mined dam, and they've been evacuating people/settlements on left bank for months. Ukraine say Russia did it, Russia deny and say either nothing happened or Ukraine did it.
This will almost completely halt any Ukrainian attempt to get to Crimea or south Kherson/Melitipol for months if not this year.
Edit: Russia now claiming it happened merely due to damage (and not Ukraine) which only leaves Russia did it, or damage as they claim..... what's your money on?
I suppose all we know about the effect on the offensive at this stage is that Ukraine will have known this was very likely to happen and will have factored it in to their planning