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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
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jakarta
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I don't like one of my Brothers too much but I have never sent Cruise Missiles over to ManchesterJust when you thought it was impossible for Putin to be any more ridiculous:
'Ukraine war: Russia not to blame for conflict - Putin'
Ukraine war: Russia not to blame for conflict - Putin
President Vladimir Putin says he still continues to see Ukraine as a brotherly nation.www.bbc.co.uk
'There's nothing to accuse us of. We've always seen Ukrainians as a brotherly people and I still think so.'
Quite, Germany lost World War 2 the same day they declared war on the US.
Presumably no-one had explained to Hitler the Industrial base they had (plus the fact that they couldn't physically attack it).
- Aug 24, 2020
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It has always amazed me that Russians think they can compete with the USA. What world do they inhabit? Their GDP is 13 times less than the USA, and is less than South Korea and Canada.
Weststander
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You said you were interested in first hand accounts.
Well here it is.
Ukrainians including most Russian speakers wanted and want to be a free independent nation. All the Russian speakers have in common with Putin is a language. Which they’re now abandoning as one, everyone is voluntarily ditching Russian.
Putin and his fellow henchmen are bitter that Gorbachov ended the brief terror-controlled reign of the USSR and KGB. They’re former KGB officers.
One by one they’ve been illegally annexing independent states through murder, rape, theft and poisonings.
With Ukraine he thought the US, EU, UK, Canada etc would be as weak as dishwater. He got it wrong.
Before embarking on contrarian theories, spare some compassionate thoughts for the women, children and infants literally raped by Putin’s thugs, for the elderly and other villagers led to pits then scythed down.
That’s far more important than internet time wasted on geopolitical whataboutery.
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Well, yes. It is the way they've most commonly done it. Chile is a good example, where they strangled the economy once a socialist was elected, then funding the far right to put a military dictatorship in place.
Quite similar to the situation in Ukraine where the US has been pumping in hundreds of millions of dollars into far-right organisations through its spending bill which was modified to allow the funding of neo-nazis.
Congress Has Removed a Ban on Funding Neo-Nazis From Its Year-End Spending Bill
Under pressure from the Pentagon, Congress has stripped the spending bill of an amendment that prevented funds from falling into the hands of Ukrainian neo-fascist groups.
www.thenation.com
Particularly the Azov Battalion of course, where the leader said "the historic mission of Ukraine is to lead the White Races of the world in a final crusade for their survival in a crusade against the Semite-led Untermenschen." Obviously Ukraine could have distanced itself from that... but instead choose to incorporate the Azov Battalion into their National Guard.
Unsurprisingly, in the recent UN vote on "combating glorification of Nazism, neo-Nazism and other practices that contribute to fueling contemporary forms of racism", the only two states to vote no were the US and Ukraine, since both countries are run by nazis.
Obviously, everyone who paid attention knew that the US wanted to create a war between Ukraine and Russia. This was clear as a day already back in 2014: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/13/ukraine-us-war-russia-john-pilger
The war is hugely beneficial for the US on multiple levels. The postmodernist dictatorship style of Russia is vulnerable and using their ideological allies in Ukraine to create a war that weakens Russia does not only come with the benefit that eventually they'll be able to go in and kill Russians en masse and colonialise the country, it also serves other purposes such as creating energy chaos in Europe, which decreases the competition from here and also causes a brain drain as highly competent Europeans will leave the chaos here to strengthen the US.
Its a great time to be alive. Your boys are winning the war between the Neo-Nazis and the Postmodern Dictatorship.
Too bad everyone else is losing, but we take the positives.
Crap.Well, yes. It is the way they've most commonly done it. Chile is a good example, where they strangled the economy once a socialist was elected, then funding the far right to put a military dictatorship in place.
Quite similar to the situation in Ukraine where the US has been pumping in hundreds of millions of dollars into far-right organisations through its spending bill which was modified to allow the funding of neo-nazis.
Congress Has Removed a Ban on Funding Neo-Nazis From Its Year-End Spending Bill
Under pressure from the Pentagon, Congress has stripped the spending bill of an amendment that prevented funds from falling into the hands of Ukrainian neo-fascist groups.
Particularly the Azov Battalion of course, where the leader said "the historic mission of Ukraine is to lead the White Races of the world in a final crusade for their survival in a crusade against the Semite-led Untermenschen." Obviously Ukraine could have distanced itself from that... but instead choose to incorporate the Azov Battalion into their National Guard.
Unsurprisingly, in the recent UN vote on "combating glorification of Nazism, neo-Nazism and other practices that contribute to fueling contemporary forms of racism", the only two states to vote no were the US and Ukraine, since both countries are run by nazis.
Obviously, everyone who paid attention knew that the US wanted to create a war between Ukraine and Russia. This was clear as a day already back in 2014: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/13/ukraine-us-war-russia-john-pilger
The war is hugely beneficial for the US on multiple levels. The postmodernist dictatorship style of Russia is vulnerable and using their ideological allies in Ukraine to create a war that weakens Russia does not only come with the benefit that eventually they'll be able to go in and kill Russians en masse and colonialise the country, it also serves other purposes such as creating energy chaos in Europe, which decreases the competition from here and also causes a brain drain as highly competent Europeans will leave the chaos here to strengthen the US.
Its a great time to be alive. Your boys are winning the war between the Neo-Nazis and the Postmodern Dictatorship.
Too bad everyone else is losing, but we take the positives.
- Oct 20, 2022
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Because as much as the USA is fighting a proxy war against Russia in Ukraine, Iran and North Korea are fighting a proxy war against the USA in Ukraine.
- Apr 5, 2014
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In fairness, the US involvement in the funding of right wing oppressive regimes is nothing new. I'd recommend reading the following book.
I can't seem to post links (if anyone can help) but the book is called 'The Shock Doctrine' by Naomi Klein. An evidence based work on the US tentacles in South America.
Even the Daily Telegraph endorsed it.
The thing about this war is the easy part is identifying the Russian invasion of Ukraine as morally wrong. Few would disagree, But the murky waters of the western political puppet masters is something that needs studying to get a wider perspective. It's ugly.Amazon product
Meh. Its all fairly neutral, we'll adapt nicely into the brave new world eventually. But as with any major change, it will be a bit of struggle along the way.
At least Trump would have asked Putin to pay for a wall and Putin would have laughed in Trump's face.
Well, yes. It is the way they've most commonly done it. Chile is a good example, where they strangled the economy once a socialist was elected, then funding the far right to put a military dictatorship in place.
Quite similar to the situation in Ukraine where the US has been pumping in hundreds of millions of dollars into far-right organisations through its spending bill which was modified to allow the funding of neo-nazis.
Congress Has Removed a Ban on Funding Neo-Nazis From Its Year-End Spending Bill
Under pressure from the Pentagon, Congress has stripped the spending bill of an amendment that prevented funds from falling into the hands of Ukrainian neo-fascist groups.
Particularly the Azov Battalion of course, where the leader said "the historic mission of Ukraine is to lead the White Races of the world in a final crusade for their survival in a crusade against the Semite-led Untermenschen." Obviously Ukraine could have distanced itself from that... but instead choose to incorporate the Azov Battalion into their National Guard.
Unsurprisingly, in the recent UN vote on "combating glorification of Nazism, neo-Nazism and other practices that contribute to fueling contemporary forms of racism", the only two states to vote no were the US and Ukraine, since both countries are run by nazis.
Obviously, everyone who paid attention knew that the US wanted to create a war between Ukraine and Russia. This was clear as a day already back in 2014: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/13/ukraine-us-war-russia-john-pilger
The war is hugely beneficial for the US on multiple levels. The postmodernist dictatorship style of Russia is vulnerable and using their ideological allies in Ukraine to create a war that weakens Russia does not only come with the benefit that eventually they'll be able to go in and kill Russians en masse and colonialise the country, it also serves other purposes such as creating energy chaos in Europe, which decreases the competition from here and also causes a brain drain as highly competent Europeans will leave the chaos here to strengthen the US.
Its a great time to be alive. Your boys are winning the war between the Neo-Nazis and the Postmodern Dictatorship.
Too bad everyone else is losing, but we take the positives.
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I thought the same
Do they think that? I'm sure they're quite aware at the moment that they cannot, but the US can't attack Russia, and the US supplying weapons to Ukraine may not be enough (obviously hoping that it is).
Good to see you've not run out of puff
No puff at all, yet more puff than anyone has information or arguments countering these facts.
Hastings gull
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- Nov 23, 2013
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Facts? they are your opinion. It is arrogant to conflate the two.No puff at all, yet more puff than anyone has information or arguments countering these facts.
Its not "my opinion" that the US removed the ban on funding nazi organisations to be able to fund forces in Ukraine, that for instance the Azov Battalion expressed these ideas while receiving training and money from the US, or that US and Ukraine were the only ones to vote against the UN resolution to combat the glorification of nazism.
- Aug 24, 2020
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Well, the fact that they have been waging cyber warfare against the west (including the US) for decades, tells us that they do indeed think they can compete.
If they didn't think that they can compete with the US, why did they invade? They invaded because they miscalculated, and considered the US was not a threat.
They would have been aware of US influence in Ukraine prior to the invasion, and considered they could manage any action carried out by the US.
This war must be a terrible, long, slow dawning of reality for the Russian elite. Long may it continue!
No, it doesn't tell us that. Trying to damage the West via cyber attacks does not mean that Russia believes they can compete on the battlefield.
Er, because they invaded Ukraine, not the US
The US are supplying Ukraine with weapons, but that is nothing like Russia taking on America directly, which would be a very short fight.
I have no doubt that they miscalculated many things: they underestimated the West's willingness to support Ukraine, underestimated Ukraine's willingness to fight and their ability, as well as the reaction from the Ukrainian civilians, and they also overestimated their own strength. However, that does not mean they believed they could take on the US in a direct fight.
Only because they didn't believe the US would want to help out much, not because they thought they could take on the US. And in truth, the US aren't the only country supplying Ukraine with weapons, and the fighting is being done by Ukraine, and has been at a far higher level than Putin anticipated. There's also the fact that Putin's military didn't realise they were going to mount a full invasion, so they were unprepared for it.
Indeed.
- Aug 24, 2020
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At least we agree on my last point.No, it doesn't tell us that. Trying to damage the West via cyber attacks does not mean that Russia believes they can compete on the battlefield.
Er, because they invaded Ukraine, not the US
The US are supplying Ukraine with weapons, but that is nothing like Russia taking on America directly, which would be a very short fight.
I have no doubt that they miscalculated many things: they underestimated the West's willingness to support Ukraine, underestimated Ukraine's willingness to fight and their ability, as well as the reaction from the Ukrainian civilians, and they also overestimated their own strength. However, that does not mean they believed they could take on the US in a direct fight.
Only because they didn't believe the US would want to help out much, not because they thought they could take on the US. And in truth, the US aren't the only country supplying Ukraine with weapons, and the fighting is being done by Ukraine, and has been at a far higher level than Putin anticipated. There's also the fact that Putin's military didn't realise they were going to mount a full invasion, so they were unprepared for it.
Indeed.
The overestimation of his own military strength would likely have provided the biggest shock of all to Putin. To be out fought, out thought, and 'out-propaganda-ed', by Ukraine (who he described as 'Little Russians'), and therefore comprehensively disabused of his superiority complex, must have hit him hard, reducing his chances of reversing the perceived travesty of the break up of the Soviet Union.
But is he now at his most dangerous? Some weeks ago, the Royal United Services Institute predicted that, as he continues to lose the ground war, we should expect an increase in activity on other fronts in his hybrid war. They also predicted he would stall for time. To manufacture more weapons, to re-arm, and to work on dividing the unity of the west.
Today, inspite of a weakened Russia, Putin is as belligerent as ever. He has just announced plans to increase his military spend. He isn't going to stop until he is stopped.