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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
- Thread starter vegster
- Start date
I don’t…..thanks for the reminder. Lots on Twitter with 000s of retweets too
Seen another thread that has a (claimed) picture of some Ukranian soldiers in a gym with one of the guys taking a selfie and posting it on SM. Apparently an infiltrator saw the pic and recognised the gym - a rocket hit it killing 14 of them 30 mins later.
Interesting discussion on the 'stalled' 40 mile convoy of military vehicles north of Kiyv on Newsnight.
Of course, nobody knows for sure why is has been parked up for a few days now, but the schools of thought tend to centre around one of the following:
1. Fuel shortages / mechanical breakdowns
2. Dissent in the ranks as awareness grows amongst the troops what they are being commanded to do
3. A deliberate tactic / show of strength with the intention of applying pressure to the Ukrainian government
Would love to believe that it is a combination of 1 and 2. It's certainly seems to be true that up until this time last week most soldiers thought they were on a training exercise and had no idea that they were going to be committed into combat.
Of course, nobody knows for sure why is has been parked up for a few days now, but the schools of thought tend to centre around one of the following:
1. Fuel shortages / mechanical breakdowns
2. Dissent in the ranks as awareness grows amongst the troops what they are being commanded to do
3. A deliberate tactic / show of strength with the intention of applying pressure to the Ukrainian government
Would love to believe that it is a combination of 1 and 2. It's certainly seems to be true that up until this time last week most soldiers thought they were on a training exercise and had no idea that they were going to be committed into combat.
- Aug 24, 2020
- 7,482
On the face of it, it seemed pretty innocuous (just a soldier being given some food and a hot drink, which he devoured). However, he was being filmed by several people, which I was a bit uneasy about. The power - and the danger - of social media.
https://news.sky.com/video/ukraine-invasion-belarusian-president-talks-over-map-of-ukraine-12555168
Enjoy his full video. It's been discussed frequently on TV by the "experts"
From the same reporter: Zelensky's journey from comedian to president.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30ALpcuyaYM&ab_channel=VICENews
Interviewer: So you feel like you’re fully prepared to be president of Ukraine?
Zelensky: Yes. *laughs* Yes. *laughs again* Why not?
Interviewer: It’s going to be fun!
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portlock seagull
Well-known member
- Jul 28, 2003
- 17,959
Know where you’re coming from. Don’t feel ashamed of anything though, you didn’t create or allow to happen. Sadly democracies versus dictatorships will always be easier for the latter. See my early posts quoting Garry K. He’s bang on the money and said all this 7-8 years ago. Decisive decision making and true leadership aren’t rewarded by the nature of democracy. Delay and decadence are more in tune with and always will be. Imagine every household having to pay £100 more a year for us to hit our NATO commitments. People would be up in arms (pun intended), yet it’s suddenly looking extraordinarily good value. Just ask Germany! But by time we are suddenly interested in paying more for our security (and is there anything else more important, really?) it’s too late. That’s the human condition. Always repeating mistakes because we never learn. Every generation has to learn for itself. Because every generation thinks they know best and money trumps everything including freedom.
- Apr 5, 2014
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I've seen the video. The patch in that area seems to cover Odessa and surrounds, which is very close to the Moldovan border.
The scale is a bit like someone putting a large patch over Brighton to show East Sussex and then people claiming that it has covered Portslade and therefore includes West Sussex.
I'll treat this as miss-information unless other stuff comes to light.
EDIT: I've watched it again and done the geographical map. The sticker barely touches Moldova. There is no evidence of plans to invade Moldova in the public domain.
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- Nov 11, 2009
- 12,378
Looks like I predicted right.(might need translate as Ukrainian site)
https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2022/03/2/7327485/
Even before the invasion, I felt sure his puppet would be to try and re-insert Yanukovych. It was just so obvious on many levels.
Putin always claimed (and maybe believed) it was a coup rather than the popular uprising it was.
He's never stopped talking about the coup and facist "Junta" in Kyiv.
He hates colour revolutions and people trying to overthrow oppressive police state dictator.
And most important, as well as his east west obsession, Russia NATO, he's also obsessed with authoritarianism Vs democracy. Lawless Vs rules based, and Putin is a key arbiter of many scumbag dictators like Assad and Maduro, to reinstall his former puppet, he'll try and claim Yanukovich was the elected leader, he'll try and demoralise any civic freedom/democracy movements, and try to reinforce that he is the strongman dictator if you want protection and any popular uprising will be reversed.
Talk about not reading the room, it will make the Ukrainians fight twice as hard. It's not only conscripts being sent to their death
- Nov 11, 2009
- 12,378
Its actually a dead or alive reward. Bullet in the head too.
In other News Putin and his generals referred to international criminal court in Hague by 38 countries. The highest ever
All I said was ooops......I have as much evidence as you have, that its not true....
jackalbion
Well-known member
- Aug 30, 2011
- 5,059
Caviar? Also logistically, it provides our only rail access to the Asian market, while not necessarily hugely important right now, will certainly be important in a sustainable future (I hope my old logistics university lecturer sees this post and marks me up to a first).
clapham_gull
Legacy Fan
- Aug 20, 2003
- 25,981
But it didn't come from a dodgy source, was widely reported (and commented on) and the poster shouldn't have felt the need to retract their post.
Right or wrong, yesterday it was effectively news.
On NewsNight tonight studio guests were invited to speculate on Putin’s mental health and motives. Other guests were invited to speculate on the potential next stages of the conflict and why the armoured convoy has stalled. In the programme that followed, journalists speculated on how the West has gathered intelligence on invasion plans (human sources or cyber techniques), what the thinking is in China, how is North Korea likely to react and would Putin use nuclear arms and what is the process for authorisation.
In short, everything is speculation at present and trying to form educated opinions and judgements on potential next moves or escalations. Personally I don’t see the issue with people speculating what could happen next. It is a perfectly normal human reaction in times of great uncertainty and I see even less point in trying to shut it down.
- Apr 5, 2014
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I think you are confusing the post. This one hasn't been deleted and I didn't call for it to be. That was the POW video.
The video you refer to has been widely reported in the media. Some suggesting that Russia has been planning on invading Moldova.
I have viewed the video and looked at the stills.
Whether Sky suggest it, the BBC suggest it, or anyone suggests it, there is no evidence that this is the case. As I said, the sticker covers Odessa region and barely enters Moldova.
We all have opinions, and mine is worth no more than yours. But my view is that this is intended click baiting propaganda. Something which we are also subjected to in our news. The only difference being ours is more democratic and open to question. You obviously cannot debate such things so openly in Moscow.
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
Putin is a master at blocking information getting to his people.
But there is no way he'll be able to stop images of an Aleppo-ed Kharkiv or Kyiv reaching Russia. And then what ?
Aleppo and Grozny were cities the people could tolerate ( same in the West ) but what happens when it is the cities of fellow Slavs ?
He can't hide it.
The Ukrainians know they have to die in their millions to win. And they are prepared.
But there is no way he'll be able to stop images of an Aleppo-ed Kharkiv or Kyiv reaching Russia. And then what ?
Aleppo and Grozny were cities the people could tolerate ( same in the West ) but what happens when it is the cities of fellow Slavs ?
He can't hide it.
The Ukrainians know they have to die in their millions to win. And they are prepared.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 36,065
did anyone pose the idea its simply the worlds longest traffic jam, or is that too dull?
Wrong-Direction
Well-known member
- Mar 10, 2013
- 13,672
We've only sanctioned 8 people so far.
What an absolute farce.
We are embarrassing, pathetic.
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What an absolute farce.
We are embarrassing, pathetic.
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That's brilliant news. Our family in Zaporozhye tell us that anti tank barricades are being erected on access roads from the south.
My wife, Lyudmyla (Lucy), is cooking pancakes (her mum's Ukrainian recipe) for people in our village this Saturday, in return for donations. We set up a just giving page to help targeted families in our family's area who are struggling to afford food or medicines. Our village donated £1000 in just 6 hours - amazing.
Could I PM you with a question sometime? I'd like some advice from you. Thanks
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Too dull. This is a thread which is quite informative, citing poor maintenance of the tanks, the mud season in Ukraine etc
https://twitter.com/TrentTelenko/status/1499164245250002944
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