[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[Hamilton]

Add in the fact he is surrounded by "yes people".

Apparently they "wargamed" sanctions and he was given an "it'll all be fine" report.

I bet he's seething.

This is an interesting take...
https://news.sky.com/story/vladimir...e-in-russian-presidents-inner-circle-12553098

 

[Springal]

Some suggestions that the Russian 'defense' organisations have issued warnings of imminent strikes on Kyiv, including right in the centre and targeting of 'relay centres' - has warned residents to get out.

 

[peterward]

I just read that Ukraine claim 5,700 Russian troops have been killed so far. Surely that is bullshit? It’s more US soldiers than were killed in the whole of the Iraq war. If that figure is anywhere near true, then I can't imagine public opinion back in Russia is going to be supportive for very long.

Probably a bit over estimated as is the fog of war, but in 10 minutes on night 2 they shot down 2 paratroop transporters each with 100 spetznaz, and in the chechan route the other night, that was a 58 tank convoy, and thats just by Kyiv in 2 incidences.

The russian troops are being used as cannon fodder

 

[peterward]

Some suggestions that the Russian 'defense' organisations have issued warnings of imminent strikes on Kyiv, including right in the centre and targeting of 'relay centres' - has warned residents to get out.

Yep, including the SBU (Ukrainian MI6).

Could be to cause panic, if there were enough brave citizens surround the building with live camera and sing the national anthem all night..... let the whole world see.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Putin doesn’t have to have an exit strategy …. But his security council does… they are the ones who will remove him.
I watched Death of Stalin (again) last week ….. I’m hoping he gets Beria treatment.


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I heard someone on the radio suggesting maybe the West should offer him a way out, via moving him to location for him to live out his life with his family/

He doesnt have any sort of end game here, which makes him even more dangerous.

 

[jakarta]

I just read that Ukraine claim 5,700 Russian troops have been killed so far. Surely that is bullshit? It’s more US soldiers than were killed in the whole of the Iraq war. If that figure is anywhere near true, then I can't imagine public opinion back in Russia is going to be supportive for very long.

Will just be the start, even if they are overrun, there are lots and lots of AK47's in Eastern Europe and a long term guerrilla war will kill a lot more Russians, especially if arms keep coming over from Poland etc..

Anyone remember how things went with that Country that Russia invaded in 1979?

 

[dazzer6666]

My view is that he expected the West to crumble after the amount of interference he’s caused in the last 5 or 6 years. However if anything Europe is closer and more steely eyed than ever. He couldn’t (I don’t think many of us could) predict just how biblical the rest of the world has been regards sanctions. He thought that our greed and softness would prevent such sanctions being implemented. I mean, Switzerland shrugging of the shroud of neutrality to implant some **** off sanctions is an eye opener.
To say he has badly misread the room would be an understatement of biblical proportions.


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I'm quite shocked at the Swiss moving so quickly (and I spent much of my career in private banking) - there's absolutely TONS of Russian oligarch money in Switzerland.............'it's perfectly safe there, they stay neutral and don't get involved'

Ooops.

 

[Hamilton]

I just read that Ukraine claim 5,700 Russian troops have been killed so far. Surely that is bullshit? It’s more US soldiers than were killed in the whole of the Iraq war. If that figure is anywhere near true, then I can't imagine public opinion back in Russia is going to be supportive for very long.

I think we have to consider that the Russian attitude towards the death of a soldier is different to that in other cultures. Life is seen as collateral damage and the individual in Russian society is of far less value than the State. In the West, the opposite is true.

Russians would drop weapons on targets even if it meant that some of their own resources were depleted. This was very much the psyche in WW2 when troops were often sent into situations to die with little consideration. In fact, many Russian troops who were taken prisoner (and if they survived the Nazis) were treated very harshly on their return to Russia. Knowing such a fate awaited them, they would often rather die in battle than be captured.

It's 75-years later, but it does take a long time for ingrained cultural behaviours to shift.

Still, the numbers are unverified and it's a different age. I'm just sharing it as a perspective.

 

[Insel affe]

I just read that Ukraine claim 5,700 Russian troops have been killed so far. Surely that is bullshit? It’s more US soldiers than were killed in the whole of the Iraq war. If that figure is anywhere near true, then I can't imagine public opinion back in Russia is going to be supportive for very long.

They will never know the true extent of the war, with that mobile crematorium in action 24/7
parents are still wondering what happened to their children who went to war in Chechnya, Georgia etc, apparently the official party line was there were a lot of deserters and soldiers that deserted !!

Very sad the need to lie to the Russian public about the expendable youth.

 

[vegster]

Does Johnson never miss an opportunity to claim we are somehow leading the world on our response to the invasion ? It's genuinely sad that at an important meeting his post meeting speech is all about trying to puff himself..

 

[Ⓩ-Ⓐ-Ⓜ-Ⓞ-Ⓡ-Ⓐ]

They will never know the true extent of the war, with that mobile crematorium in action 24/7

I've not seen these mobile crematoriums referenced anywhere except NSC. Are these genuinely a thing? How big are they?

 

[Bold Seagull]

I'm quite shocked at the Swiss moving so quickly (and I spent much of my career in private banking) - there's absolutely TONS of Russian oligarch money in Switzerland.............'it's perfectly safe there, they stay neutral and don't get involved'

Ooops.

The Credit Suisse leaks left them in a bit of a bind in terms of PR.

 

[dazzer6666]

The Credit Suisse leaks left them in a bit of a bind in terms of PR.

Fair point.....

 

[The Clamp]

Don't feed the troll. Ignore him.

Yes, she made a mistake and was corrected. Other politicians have made mistakes in the past but the troll only highlights the ones he wants to derail the thread with.

Will the mods now do the right thing and bin him off this thread?

 

[atomised]

I've not seen these mobile crematoriums referenced anywhere except NSC. Are these genuinely a thing? How big are they?

They are very much a thing. I'm heading out but have definitely seen images on twitter and in the press. Maybe someone else will locate details

 

[Insel affe]

Does Johnson never miss an opportunity to claim we are somehow leading the world on our response to the invasion ? It's genuinely sad that at an important meeting his post meeting speech is all about trying to puff himself..

I understand your comment and agree, but I am conflicted, in that he has to sound confident and have an air of bluster and showmanship about him during this whole nasty business, Putin already thinks we are weak, so we must have an air of confidence about us, even if we all know it is for show.

 

[The Clamp]

I've not seen these mobile crematoriums referenced anywhere except NSC. Are these genuinely a thing? How big are they?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-n...loys-mobile-crematorium-follow-troops-battle/

 

[Bry Nylon]

I've not seen these mobile crematoriums referenced anywhere except NSC. Are these genuinely a thing? How big are they?

Just google it

They are about the size of 7.5t lorry

 

[Insel affe]

I've not seen these mobile crematoriums referenced anywhere except NSC. Are these genuinely a thing? How big are they?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-n...loys-mobile-crematorium-follow-troops-battle/

https://youtu.be/mVPTqHZqdz0

 

[KZNSeagull]

Will the mods now do the right thing and bin him off this thread?

Just for balance, everyone's favourite Home Secretary earlier in the Commons said that "nothink was off the table"