portlock seagull
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- Jul 28, 2003
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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
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No thanks, not necessary nor good use of time.
Hopefully a fairly united Europe (it's not 100% I know).
Ukraine has done it very well for 3 years, and Europe could replace some of previous US support.
portlock seagull
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- Jul 28, 2003
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Hopefully. But I’m with Dorset, I’ve seen little evidence of United European Defence since the end of the Cold War.
It doesn't matter. If Russia could have stopped Finland and Sweden joining Nato, they would have. If they can stop Ukraine joining, they will. But it doesn't have to be up to Russia. If we support Ukraine as we should, and defeat Russia as we should, then they'll be in no place to stop Ukraine joining Nato.
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From which countries would the peace keeping force be from.
No one is saying close diplomatic channels. But if there's enough force in place to stop Russia, then they'll stop, and if there isn't, then they'll break all agreements. Agreements mean nothing to Russia.
- Aug 24, 2020
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Ok. You repeatedly fall for Russian propaganda but refuse to watch it, so you can learn how it works, and can avoid falling for it in future.
Russian state TV can be a goldmine of information. Obviously you must have all your antennae turned up to the max.
A long time ago, the same host complained to the audience about the cost of Shahed drones from Iran. He asked 'why can't Russia make them ourselves?'. The lesson to learn here, was that he was preparing the Russian TV viewers for Russia to manufacture its own Shahed drones.
In another show, the commentator said 'I don't know one pensioner who does not contribute part of their pension to the war effort to help our boys'. Here the lesson learned was that Russia was struggling to fund the war effort, and was pleading for contributions from pensioners.
Valuable information, but only if you have an open mind.
armchairclubber
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Well, Starmer has popped UKs name in the hat for starters. We'll see what he comes up with.
Ukraine are at the moment
I'm absolutely fine with Starmer's comments. He's showing strength rather that weakness.
If he's given the binary choice on would the UK provide troops, yes or no - one answer shows strength and the other is a bit pathetic. He's not actually committed troops to do anything, he's just saying that we support Ukraine, stand against Russia, and will continue to do so.
Meanwhile Trump is having his belly tickled.
There have been detachments of British soldiers operating in Ukraine since 2022, as Russian troops travelling in armoured columns discovered to their cost.
I agree it needs a sea change. Europe was asleep at the wheel, focusing on reducing costs, Russian oil/gas deliveries (mummy Merkel pals with Putin etc).
Times are changing very fast and i think Europe is trying to catch up with the situation
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- Aug 24, 2020
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Regiment?
I think we could all probably guess which Regiment. But I’m led to believe it wasn’t the Catering Corps.
NorthstandRacoon
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All twitter hearsay. I'd just wait for the facts. So much shite doing the rounds during times like these.
- Aug 24, 2020
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i remember the Russians got wind of a group and sent a missile into a base in the far west of Ukraine near Lviv. No information on casualties though.
NorthstandRacoon
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This is spot on...
www.theguardian.com
Europeans are right to be angry with Donald Trump, but they should also be furious with themselves | Andrew Rawnsley
The betrayal of Ukraine is a final warning to the UK and its continental allies to put a lot more energy and money into rebuilding their defences
www.theguardian.com
GoldstoneVintage
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Perhaps we should properly tax the super rich like they did after 1945. That brought in a lot of money. Can't imagine why anyone needs billions of pounds, anyway. The Sun could start a campaign called, 'Cough up for your Country' to get the masses on board.To achieve, it would effectively double the financial pain most households are currently feeling btw, after the toughest budget in 50 years. So sacrifices have to be seen in that context. Put it this way, are you prepared to give up the Albion, your annual holiday(s) or the like to improve security (assuming you put food and fuel first!)? Nearly everyone will say no, it would be deeply unpopular. Until we were invaded, naturally, then everyone would bleat about why our governments didn’t do more pre-crisis?! Nope, we never learn. But that’s democracy for yer!
A Russian propaganda art exhibition in Germany, trying to stop people supporting Ukraine
So go against Russia, and support Ukraine to the max
So go against Russia, and support Ukraine to the max
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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a view from Washington...
www.nbcnews.com
As U.S. and Putin negotiate, intel shows he's not interested 'in a real peace deal,' sources say
Intelligence suggests Russian President Vladimir Putin is going through the motions and still thinks he can eventually control all of Ukraine, the sources told NBC News.
