Rumour of Murder at Scouse derby

[CliveWalkerWingWizard]

Anyone who does so, opinion on this matter means nothing, absolutley nothing.

The Sun was an absolute disgrace - the idiots posting uninformed crap on here probably believe the Sun to be intellectually stimulating material, or maybe they just look at the pictures ?

 

[Aldo]

The Sun was an absolute disgrace - the idiots posting uninformed crap on here probably believe the Sun to be intellectually stimulating material, or maybe they just look at the pictures ?

The fact it's the most read paper is worrying.

 

[Easy 10]

No one would have been killed if the Police had been in control of the situation, if there had not been fences and if the attitude of those in authority was not to regard us all as the "effluent tendancy" to use that little prick Moynihan's expression.

All true.
No one would have been killed if ticketless fans wern't trying to storm the ground at kickoff either though.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

The main point is and will remain until they properly review it again is that the evidence shown so far has highlighted a significant failing from the authorities and a major cover up, for which those responsible should be fully expect to face the consequences. But and this is a huge but there were failings on all sides. The press and The Sun in particular are to blame for the way they portrayed the events and I for one never read such a ridiculous rag.

The government owe it to those that lost their lives or were injured to reopen the inquiry but the process needs to be fully open, blinkered views are not conducive to obtain the right conclusion.

 

[Skint Gull]

I'm with Easy on this one, clearly the Police were massively at fault but to turn up outside the ground without tickets and force your way into a sold out stadium is asking for a disaster, quite clearly there are many (i'm not going to speculate numbers) scousers who should feel a fair amount or guilt from that day.

 

[Jimbo.GRFC]

with your pemission i'd like to use this quote, it'd save me a fuckin mountain of time in the long run


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Spelling mistake, Spelling mistake....Ban him now.....As a Seagulls/Rangers fan, please put these comments to bed. 96 people perished that day, one that is sad for our football family !!

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I'm with Easy on this one, clearly the Police were massively at fault but to turn up outside the ground without tickets and force your way into a sold out stadium is asking for a disaster, quite clearly there are many (i'm not going to speculate numbers) scousers who should feel a fair amount or guilt from that day.

You and Easy are making the same assumption, that the late arrivals were ticketless. Iirc there had been an accident on the motorway and some of the fans had been held up. There were fans with tickets trying to get in who had arrived late.

 

[Beach Hut]

Many things went wrong on that horrific day and the majority have been mentioned. The sad issue is that whatever is found out after any enquiry will never redress the fact that people went to a football match on a Saturday afternoon and died.

I am not sure now what any enquiry achieves as the event took place so long ago in a different era than now, that said, it is very baseless of me to really draw any conclusion as I did not suffer as a result of what happened on that day.

 

[Bwian]

All true.
No one would have been killed if ticketless fans wern't trying to storm the ground at kickoff either though.

That is a totally ridiculous statement to make.
Where did you get your information from? The Police reports or The Sun?

Don't let your anti Liverpool bias cloud your judgement. Remember, 96 people went to a football match and never made it home alive because the police f***ed up. The police f***ed up. THAT is why 96 people died. ALL big clubs (LFC, MUFC, Everton, Villa, Newcastle and many more) have a following that go to games without tickets but that doesn't mean they tried to 'storm the ground'. Thankfully they no longer encounter gross incompetence or cover ups by the police because of Hillsborough. The exception being those wankers in Croydon who thought it funny to funnel all of the Albion fans through a potential death trap of a tunnel after keeping us in all that time after that 5-0. That could easily have ended up as a sequel to Hillsborough but thankfully there was an exit at the other end.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Kenny Dalglish

The Sun's allegations were disgraceful and completely groundless. Ticketless fans try to get into every game. Any well-supported club playing in a semi-final is going to attract ticketless fans. If handled properly, as they had been at Hillsborough a year earlier, ticketless supporters do not present a problem.

 

[Castello]

I can only speak as i find , and i think scousers( not liverpool fans) have one of the most undeserved reputations in the country, i've never found them anything but friendly and a good laugh, i've been seperated from my scouse mates in the centre of liverpool at 3 iin the morning , i had to ask the way to the cab rank in my london accent and a bloke went out of his way to show me where it was, top people scousers.

being married to one.... This.

I really cannot understand why there is so much prejudice against a city amd its population, which in my experience is so warm and welcoming. Of course if you come at them with a prejudiced view it may explain why you get stick back.

 

[clapham_gull]

Kenny Dalglish

The Sun's allegations were disgraceful and completely groundless. Ticketless fans try to get into every game. Any well-supported club playing in a semi-final is going to attract ticketless fans. If handled properly, as they had been at Hillsborough a year earlier, ticketless supporters do not present a problem.

Not sure Dalgish himself is completely accurate with that statement. What I've read the game wasn't sold out (there were tickets available on the day) and in the aftermath, the CCTV proved that the stand wasn't flooded with fans without tickets. The numbers don't add up for anyone to come to that conclusion.

For sure, too many people outside was a problem, but because the problem was dealt with in a really stupid way.

At the end the day, the terrace wasn't full. Too many people were ushered into the wrong side of it.

I think it's interesting to point out that a television news programme made the same claim a few years ago. When it was pointed out they looked back at all the evidence and concluded that that was editorially incorrect and provided a clarification.

That's good enough for me, unless other people have got some evidence that proves to the contrary. I suggest they give it to the authorities.

 

[Pavilionaire]

I think the fact that after Hillborough endemic hooliganism at football pretty much died out overnight proves football fans knew behaviour had to change. For me the reaction to Hillsborough proves it was not all the fault of the police.

As for another enquiry, I think it should be left. We know what happened, the laws have changed and everybody has to move on.