Roy Chubby Brown cancelled

[jcdenton08]

They have every right to Censor rhetoric of the ilk that Roy Chubby Brown Spouts - if you don't censor it then you embolden people with those views who will carry out violence upon certain groups of people within society.

We watched such a thing happen throughout history and if we do not learn from it then we are destined to repeat it. Anti Semitic rhetoric led to millions of Jews being slaughtered during the 1930s and 1940s - Other minority groups suffer the same all around the world even now.


Roy Chubby Brown not only isn't funny - His views on certain groups within society are dangerous.

And as evidence about how dangerous such views can be - We only have to look at what played out on January 6th when Donal Trump emboldened Right Wing White Supremacist Groups. People died that day

Godwin's Law!!! Fantastic parody post.

RCB is Hitler.

Bravo. My new favourite troll account!!!

 

[Sid in the Sharknado]

What right do Sheffield City Council have to dictate what the local population can and can't watch?

Sheffield City Council haven't stopped anybody watching anything if they want to.

Surely market forces will provide the answer?

If RCB doesn't sell enough tickets to break even you've got the answer, if however he almost fills the venue as he's done for over 30 years then that's the answer.

Out of a population of anywhere between 600,000 and 1,500,000 depending on what you include, I suspect you could sell out a 500 seat theatre for a talk on pretty much anything between hard left communism and far right fascism, it doesn't mean hosting those events is a good idea.

As it stands over 30,000 people have signed a petition against the decision.

The majority of whom will have been completely unaffected by the decision.

How far will censorship go before we get to Orwellian levels?

Since he's free to perform and sell tickets, and we're still free to buy them and watch, quite a long way.

Fun fact to finish with, Life of Brian was banned by Worthing Borough Council from the both the towns cinema's for blasphemy in 1979, 40 or years so later, Always Look On The Brightside of Life is one of the most popular tunes played at the Council owned Crematorium, so ultimately is it actually about the opinions of the people in power at a specific time, whether that's right or wrong?

The decision to ban Life of Brian was fundamentally flawed because the film isn't blasphemous or deliberately offensive to any particular group or religion.

In any case, while at that time banning Life of Brian from the cinemas would stop anybody not capable of travelling to the next town from watching it, Sheffield Council aren't stopping anybody from performing within the city or people from going to watch them. So in that sense there's much more free speech and freedom to see whoever we want now than there was before.

 

[Simster]

Godwin's Law!!! Fantastic parody post.

RCB is Hitler.

Bravo. My new favourite troll account!!!

Without going all Godwin, I'll proudly state that the fewer people who find this shit funny, the better our society is:

"There's an old man who lives alone next door, and we were a bit worried because we hadn't see him since Christmas. The postman came round and said there was a ****ing awful smell coming from his letterbox. So I called the police. They knocked down his door and our worst fears were confirmed. He'd gone away: Pakis had moved in!"

"We've got AIDS from West Africa; we've got malaria from West Africa; we've got pneumonia from West Africa and now we've got Eboli. Apparently the Africans got it because they were eating bats. No wonder them niggers have got big lips"

"Did you read in the papers about those Muslims burning poppies on Remembrance Day? Sick *****. The guy who does my gardening's a Muslim, and he observed the two-minute silence. After I whacked him with a ****ing shovel!"


Quite sad that anyone could a) find that amusing and b) not understand the damage it does to normalise this rubbish.

 

[NooBHA]

Godwin's Law!!! Fantastic parody post.

RCB is Hitler.

Bravo. My new favourite troll account!!!

You made that leap - Not me

 

[jcdenton08]

Without going all Godwin, I'll proudly state that the fewer people who find this shit funny, the better our society is:

"There's an old man who lives alone next door, and we were a bit worried because we hadn't see him since Christmas. The postman came round and said there was a ****ing awful smell coming from his letterbox. So I called the police. They knocked down his door and our worst fears were confirmed. He'd gone away: Pakis had moved in!"

"We've got AIDS from West Africa; we've got malaria from West Africa; we've got pneumonia from West Africa and now we've got Eboli. Apparently the Africans got it because they were eating bats. No wonder them niggers have got big lips"

"Did you read in the papers about those Muslims burning poppies on Remembrance Day? Sick *****. The guy who does my gardening's a Muslim, and he observed the two-minute silence. After I whacked him with a ****ing shovel!"


Quite sad that anyone could a) find that amusing and b) not understand the damage it does to normalise this rubbish.

I never said he was funny or good. He's a dated hack and I don't find him at all amusing personally, but there's lots of comedians/people I don't like and never want to see again. It doesn't mean I want them silenced.

The thing is, whether we like it or not, freedom of speech is a right. The free press is a right in this country Stoking racial hatred isn't covered by those rights, and the question here for me is whether his material is likely to incite race crimes. I would argue clearly not.

He's an old relic playing to audiences of relics. They aren't about to go out after one of his gigs and decide to murder an Asian person as a result of an evening of his "comedy".

This is where the ridiculous comparisons to the likes of Anjem Choudhury or Tommy Robinson fall short. They are playing their games in a different arena; they are producing narrative content which is meant to be taken seriously.

Stand up comedy is not social commentary which is meant to be taken seriously. I take the very funny Stewart Lee's leftist stuff no more seriously than I would Jim Davidson's.

There is a massive difference between religious or political hate speech and comedy. As much as I personally hate acts/material which rely on racist clichés (Eddie Murphy, Alf Garnett) I have no problem with their performing it unless it crosses a line into actual incitement of criminal acts.

The danger is that by policing humour, we limit all freedom of expression and, therein, the freedom of the press.

But yes, RCB is shit.

 

[jcdenton08]

You made that leap - Not me

You clearly implied it by bringing up Nazism. It was a silly thing to say. RCB makes racist jokes and I personally don't find him funny, but conflating him with a governmental system which contributed to the death of tens of millions of people is just hyperbole. He's just a shit, unfunny old hack playing the same schtick he always has.

 

[The Clamp]

I never said he was funny or good. He's a dated hack and I don't find him at all amusing personally, but there's lots of comedians/people I don't like and never want to see again. It doesn't mean I want them silenced.

The thing is, whether we like it or not, freedom of speech is a right. The free press is a right in this country Stoking racial hatred isn't covered by those rights, and the question here for me is whether his material is likely to incite race crimes. I would argue clearly not.

He's an old relic playing to audiences of relics. They aren't about to go out after one of his gigs and decide to murder an Asian person as a result of an evening of his "comedy".

This is where the ridiculous comparisons to the likes of Anjem Choudhury or Tommy Robinson fall short. They are playing their games in a different arena; they are producing narrative content which is meant to be taken seriously.

Stand up comedy is not social commentary which is meant to be taken seriously. I take the very funny Stewart Lee's leftist stuff no more seriously than I would Jim Davidson's.

There is a massive difference between religious or political hate speech and comedy. As much as I personally hate acts/material which rely on racist clichés (Eddie Murphy, Alf Garnett) I have no problem with their performing it unless it crosses a line into actual incitement of criminal acts.

The danger is that by policing humour, we limit all freedom of expression and, therein, the freedom of the press.

But yes, RCB is shit.

His act is exactly the sort of material that encourages racism in stupid people. I can well imagine the Dobson’s and Acourt’s of this world guffawing along and getting excited by RCB’s choice of language.

Does that mean it should be banned? Irrelevant. It hasn’t been banned.

Either way, it’s the last stupid honkings of a dying culture and Sheffield council made the correct decision.

 

[Lyndhurst 14]

As much as I personally hate acts/material which rely on racist clichés (Eddie Murphy, Alf Garnett) I have no problem with their performing it unless it crosses a line into actual incitement of criminal acts.

Till Death Us Do Part was a send up of racism, in the same way Blazing Saddles was, and held it up to ridicule. Once you start laughing at something you take away some of its power

 

[Razzoo]

What banning RCB could lead to is alienating and angering his audience. It is playing into the far rights hands. I know he is an odious character but how many of his fans have been found guilty of hate crimes? If you drive this underground to fester and seethe you run the risk of creating more extremism in my opinion.

 

[Chicken Run]

Without going all Godwin, I'll proudly state that the fewer people who find this shit funny, the better our society is:

"There's an old man who lives alone next door, and we were a bit worried because we hadn't see him since Christmas. The postman came round and said there was a ****ing awful smell coming from his letterbox. So I called the police. They knocked down his door and our worst fears were confirmed. He'd gone away: Pakis had moved in!"

"We've got AIDS from West Africa; we've got malaria from West Africa; we've got pneumonia from West Africa and now we've got Eboli. Apparently the Africans got it because they were eating bats. No wonder them niggers have got big lips"

"Did you read in the papers about those Muslims burning poppies on Remembrance Day? Sick *****. The guy who does my gardening's a Muslim, and he observed the two-minute silence. After I whacked him with a ****ing shovel!"


Quite sad that anyone could a) find that amusing and b) not understand the damage it does to normalise this rubbish.

 

[jcdenton08]

His act is exactly the sort of material that encourages racism in stupid people
.

I'm not sure there is any evidence whatsoever of this. I think an assumption you've made.

I think the kind of people who would find the racist jokes he makes funny are probably already open to racist humour, hence them seeing him/buying his DVDs etc after so many years in the business. I suspect most are probably already existing fans of his for years - or decades - and in that time I'm certain most haven't been inspired to go out and commit hate crimes. They just enjoy his racist jokes and blue humour.

I doubt very much you go in to an RCB gig a liberal and come out hating minorities.

 

[Fitzcarraldo]

I never said he was funny or good. He's a dated hack and I don't find him at all amusing personally, but there's lots of comedians/people I don't like and never want to see again. It doesn't mean I want them silenced.

The thing is, whether we like it or not, freedom of speech is a right. The free press is a right in this country Stoking racial hatred isn't covered by those rights, and the question here for me is whether his material is likely to incite race crimes. I would argue clearly not.

He's an old relic playing to audiences of relics. They aren't about to go out after one of his gigs and decide to murder an Asian person as a result of an evening of his "comedy".

This is where the ridiculous comparisons to the likes of Anjem Choudhury or Tommy Robinson fall short. They are playing their games in a different arena; they are producing narrative content which is meant to be taken seriously.

Stand up comedy is not social commentary which is meant to be taken seriously. I take the very funny Stewart Lee's leftist stuff no more seriously than I would Jim Davidson's.

There is a massive difference between religious or political hate speech and comedy. As much as I personally hate acts/material which rely on racist clichés (Eddie Murphy, Alf Garnett) I have no problem with their performing it unless it crosses a line into actual incitement of criminal acts.

The danger is that by policing humour, we limit all freedom of expression and, therein, the freedom of the press.

But yes, RCB is shit.

I watched the documentary on Youtube about him off the back of this thread and one of the clips from his shows on there he said this:

'There's a 120,000 black millionaires in this country, that's a ****ing shocking statistic that isn't it, if we'd have known that we'd have picked our own ****ing cotton, wouldn't we. You daren't laugh, dare you. In case we got one in. In case you get a ****ing spear in back. **** 'em that's what I say.'

It would also appear the free speech hand wringers like you should have been worried about Roy Chubby Brown's cancellation well before now. His appearance on Frank Skinner Show on the doc (that itself looks from approx 2010) was his first appearance on network TV in 18 years, He was cancelled years ago, for being, as Frank Skinner rightly calls him, a racist b*stard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRfaI1Od0GI&t=977s&ab_channel=SwiftThrush

 

[Lyndhurst 14]

The Robert E Lee statue has been removed in Virginia. It was one of the remaining statues of Confederacy and White Power

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/08/us/robert-e-lee-statue-virginia.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

 

[The Clamp]

I'm not sure there is any evidence whatsoever of this. I think an assumption you've made.

I think the kind of people who would find the racist jokes he makes funny are probably already open to racist humour, hence them seeing him/buying his DVDs etc after so many years in the business. I suspect most are probably already existing fans of his for years - or decades - and in that time I'm certain most haven't been inspired to go out and commit hate crimes. They just enjoy his racist jokes and blue humour.

I doubt very much you go in to an RCB gig a liberal and come out hating minorities.

I didn’t say there was evidence. But can I see a group of stupid people watching him enough and thinking it’s funny to think of coloured people as N’s and P’s? Absolutely. “He’s on at Sheffield, it must be acceptable”
I think his kind of act perpetuates racism and stereotypes and the more it is made clear it’s unacceptable, the better IMO.
But anyone can go along and see him and buy his DVD’s and no doubt watch him online, so freedom of speech is upheld and the level of outrage at a venue saying “no thanks” is way out of proportion.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I was talking about those who can’t cope with general opinions that may be different or a little far out. Like anti vaxers etc - have a debate - chose the wrong thread, just thought the description matched a few posters. Nothing to see here H.l, there was no need to move on for me. I was the lone voice after 7/7 saying you can’t just kill all the ‘rag heads’ as there’s many peaceful Muslims etc for what it’s worth…! I’ve been misconstrued here and now being told what I think and meant by another poster so best to bow out now and let people wrongly judge what they like tbh.

Apologies. That was a bit unreasonable of me.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

https://youtu.be/AjGzs_RFf20
The voice of reason

Regards
DF

 

[rogersix]

What banning RCB could lead to is alienating and angering his audience. It is playing into the far rights hands. I know he is an odious character but how many of his fans have been found guilty of hate crimes? If you drive this underground to fester and seethe you run the risk of creating more extremism in my opinion.

if he was on bbc1 he would create more extremism

 

[rogersix]

I'm not sure there is any evidence whatsoever of this. I think an assumption you've made.

I think the kind of people who would find the racist jokes he makes funny are probably already open to racist humour, hence them seeing him/buying his DVDs etc after so many years in the business. I suspect most are probably already existing fans of his for years - or decades - and in that time I'm certain most haven't been inspired to go out and commit hate crimes. They just enjoy his racist jokes and blue humour.

I doubt very much you go in to an RCB gig a liberal and come out hating minorities.

how would you be able prove it, one way or the other?

 

[jcdenton08]

how would you be able prove it, one way or the other?

Okay. You're quite right. I'll have a go.

Most violent sexual murderers in the past 10 years watch Mrs Brown's Boys and were inspired by it. Prove they weren't.

You just asked me to prove something via the unusual and eccentric method of disproving something alleged without any evidence whatsoever.

Come to think of it, YOU prove to ME you're not a paedophile. Do you see the logical fallacy?

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

The Robert E Lee statue has been removed in Virginia. It was one of the remaining statues of Confederacy and White Power

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/08/us/robert-e-lee-statue-virginia.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Any condemnation of the union army's treatment of the native American Indian


Thought not


Regards
DF