Rotherham Child Rape Scandal

[cunning fergus]

No, of course you're not….

What am I interpreting?

The office was being picketed......check
The opening ceremony was cancelled as a consequence......check
Farage didn't extend visit to a walkabout.......check
This is reported on news lines as being on Police advice........check
Labour MP describes situation as hilarious.........check
Labour supporter invokes "Grassy Knoll Law" makes case that it's really about UKIP politicking the story for the media.........check

Yep, it's all here.

 

[Soulman]

The SWP is scarcely in a position to protest about rape victims, is it? The comrades are probably planning a campaign in support of the alleged rapists right now

Indeed, even the Guardian reported it.
"A woman has claimed she was subjected to a series of offensive questions about her sexual past and drinking habits after bringing an allegation of rape against a senior member of the Socialist Workers Party (SWP).
The UK's most prominent far left organisation is already facing a major showdown over previous handling of separate rape accusations against a senior party figure – identified by the party only as Comrade Delta. This weekend up to 500 members could quit the Marxist group over the alleged whitewash.
The SWP's leadership is under fire for setting up a "kangaroo court" to hear allegations of rape and sexual misconduct dating back to 2008 against the man. The allegations made at the party's disputes committee were dismissed by a panel of seven and never passed on to the police.
One alleged victim claimed that during the hearing, she was asked if she "liked to have a drink".
A transcript of the SWP's annual conference in January, leaked to the Socialist Unity blog, revealed that senior officials pleaded with hundreds of activists to trust in the committee's verdict and reminded lay members that the party had "no faith in the bourgeois court system to deliver justice".
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/mar/09/socialist-workers-party-rape-kangaroo-court

 

[Bold Seagull]

What am I interpreting?

The office was being picketed......check
The opening ceremony was cancelled as a consequence......check
Farage didn't extend visit to a walkabout.......check
This is reported on news lines as being on Police advice........check
Labour MP describes situation as hilarious.........check
Labour supporter invokes "Grassy Knoll Law" makes case that it's really about UKIP politicking the story for the media.........check

Yep, it's all here.

'picketed' 'mob rule' - your interpretations of a peaceful protest….check
taking Labour MP's quote out of context…check
Poor Farage and UKIP, the innocent victims…check

Yep, all there.

 

[User removed 4]

Bushy - Have you read who these people were? Drug dealers and big time pimps in the main, extremely violent men with massive reputations. I would imagine the majority of the Pakistani community was scared to death of them.

If you could find the time have a read of the report, it's a catalogue of blind eye turning and outright failure from police, social services and the council. The report is interesting in the way that it deals with the racial element, it says that the council was in no way a politcally correct one(it was defined by bullying and sexisim.) There was a misguded attempt to keep the racial aspect of these crimes quiet as they feared that it would exacerbate tensions that were already present in the community,this was completely unhelpful. However, the report also said that 'politcal correctness' was shield for a completely ineffective council to hide behind, who lacked the will, skill or experience to deal with child sex explotation effectively.

I would argue that the Pakisataini community in Rotherham were also let down by this utter failure of insititutions to do the job expected of them. The community tensions now being experienced were almost completely avoidable.

Christ I've literally heard it all now, the Pakistani community was also let down this is a community we are constantly told has strong family ties/moral values/listens to elders /blah blah blah , so these nonces were drug dealers and pimps ? You can bet your bottom dollar the only girls they were pimping for were the under age white KIDS, ask yourself this, the community knew about it and did nothing , would they have done nothing if it was under age Pakistani girls being targeted ? Course not, but they did nothing this time because it was only immoral , decadent white trash who DESERVED it, and now they're bleating about racial tensions , blame etc, people like you will go to any lengths to avoid facing the truth.

 

[Soulman]

Even more specifically Pakistani. But it would not be fair to isolate or marginalise a million British Pakistanis for the actions of a few.

Just let the rozzers do their jobs and catch the scumbags, without furthering racial tensions in Britain.

Really, it is because of isolating and ignoring and worrying about offending, that these cases have been swept under the carpet. \as for letting the "rozzers do their jobs", have you not been looking at the case.

The Casey Report. A few examples.

"Child 3, aged 13, was found by the police at 3am…in a semi-derelict house alone with a large group of adult males. She was drunk, the result of having been supplied with alcohol, and there was evidence that her clothing had been disrupted. She alone was arrested for a public order offence, detained, prosecuted, appeared before the Youth Court and received a Referral Order for which the YOT arranged ‘reparation’, drug and alcohol counselling, art psychotherapy and victim awareness sessions.’

In one victim’s account, a police officer told her: “Nothing good will come of it. I’ve seen your files. You lied about that man all those years ago.” He then pulled the police car over and persuaded her to drop the charges against a perpetrator. After ripping up some paperwork, he dropped her off at a restaurant where girls, including victims of CSE, and suspected perpetrators used to gather.
Inspectors wondered if some of this inaction was rooted in the attitudes of some South Yorkshire Police officers to the victims. They did not seem to believe the girls or their families or those who reported problems. They did not treat them as victims.

“The girls were blamed for a lot of what happened. It’s unbelievable and key to why it wasn’t taken seriously as an issue.” A police officer
“There was no awareness. The view was that they were little slags.” A key partner
“They didn’t understand the situation, and thought that the girls were happy, or complicit in it. The sense was that if there had been any offence it had been by the girls, for luring the men in.” A key partner.

AND finally.

“If we mentioned Asian taxi drivers we were told we were racist and the young people were seen as prostitutes.” A former social worker
“…you couldn’t bring up race issues in meetings… or you would be branded a racist.” A key partner
“The number one priority was to preserve and enhance the [Pakistani heritage] community – which wasn’t an unworthy goal but it wasn’t right at the time. It was difficult to stand up in a meeting and say that the perpetrators were from the Pakistani Heritage community and were using the taxi system – even though everyone knew it.” A former key partner.

NOTE the term "ASIAN"........again.

 

[cjd]

One of the 'rozzers' under investigation has just now been killed in a car crash....

Hmmmm....very strange.

Everyone now knows the terrible abuse going on up there in the past, including.....allegedly dousing the children in petrol and threatening to set them alight....(who the hell would ever do something so atrocious as that in the 21st century ?).

It would seem that the policeman (Hassan Ali) was unfortunately killed by a car while he was off duty and crossing the road.

You would have thought he was more aware of road safety than most.

 

[beorhthelm]

I would argue that the Pakisataini community in Rotherham were also let down by this utter failure of insititutions to do the job expected of them. The community tensions now being experienced were almost completely avoidable.

i'd suggest the Pakisataini community in Rotherham let themselves down too. they are in the catalogue those turning a blind eye and failing to uphold their own principles, failure to accept this involvment within a minority will only allow this to be replicated again for the sake of sensitivities. its time that minorities faced up to problems in their midsts, whatever the minority, and stop shielding behind some misguided sence of community loyalty to those that commit crimes.

 

[BigGully]

i'd suggest the Pakisataini community in Rotherham let themselves down too. they are in the catalogue those turning a blind eye and failing to uphold their own principles, failure to accept this involvment within a minority will only allow this to be replicated again for the sake of sensitivities. its time that minorities faced up to problems in their midsts, whatever the minority, and stop shielding behind some misguided sence of community loyalty to those that commit crimes.

It seems that they prioritise those of their own faith above anything else.

 

[beorhthelm]

It seems that they prioritise those of their own faith above anything else.

this isnt about faith, so dont take that from my comment. similar problems with different outcomes occur elsewhere and often without any hint of faith leaning. its about people in wider society waking up to these issue and saying to the communities they stop protecting "thier own", because in the end they only hurt themselfs, literally. we've been far too soft on this matter for too long, because as soon as theres cultrual or religious differences the authorities back off. then theres accusations of ghettoisation, authorities ignoring the problems, mistrust grows and we're down the spriral another notch.

 

[BigGully]

this isnt about faith, so dont take that from my comment. similar problems with different outcomes occur elsewhere and often without any hint of faith leaning. its about people in wider society waking up to these issue and saying to the communities they stop protecting "thier own", because in the end they only hurt themselfs, literally. we've been far too soft on this matter for too long, because as soon as theres cultrual or religious differences the authorities back off. then theres accusations of ghettoisation, ignoring the problems by authority, mistrust grows and we're down the spriral another notch.

I have read your comment a couple of times, I dont quite get your point !

 

[beorhthelm]

I have read your comment a couple of times, I dont quite get your point !

fear of upseting racial/religious sensibilities leads us to allowing communities harbour criminals, the communities themselves maintain a wall of silence against the authorities because of mistrust. the cycle has to be broken, from both sides. on the "outside" it has to called as it is, without fearing accusations of prejudice, just get on with the process and deal with that later. the "inside" have to be honest with themselves and recognise they need to stop hiding issues, because we are a tolerant society in which most people do not cast one persons actions against an entire group. because this truism becomes less and less true while they hide those issues.

 

[BigGully]

fear of upseting racial/religious sensibilities leads us to allowing communities harbour criminals, the communities themselves maintain a wall of silence against the authorities because of mistrust. the cycle has to be broken, from both sides. on the "outside" it has to called as it is, without fearing accusations of prejudice, just get on with the process and deal with that later. the "inside" have to be honest with themselves and recognise they need to stop hiding issues, because we are a tolerant society in which most people do not cast one persons actions against an entire group. because this truism becomes less and less true while they hide those issues.

aaah ok, I tend to agree, I still think their religion undoubtedly ( for me ) plays a part in their targeted victims and some within their communities accepting/turning a blind eye to those crimes too.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Christ I've literally heard it all now, the Pakistani community was also let down this is a community we are constantly told has strong family ties/moral values/listens to elders /blah blah blah , so these nonces were drug dealers and pimps ? You can bet your bottom dollar the only girls they were pimping for were the under age white KIDS, ask yourself this, the community knew about it and did nothing , would they have done nothing if it was under age Pakistani girls being targeted ? Course not, but they did nothing this time because it was only immoral , decadent white trash who DESERVED it, and now they're bleating about racial tensions , blame etc, people like you will go to any lengths to avoid facing the truth.

Just like the Catholic Church did nothing - moral and spiritual guidance, listen to the priests, strong family community ties / blah blah blah

My suspicion would be, like the majority of Catholics, the majority of Paksitani's would have been horrified to have discovered this was happening. Either that or they all colluded to cover it up.

 

[Soulman]

Just like the Catholic Church did nothing - moral and spiritual guidance, listen to the priests, strong family community ties / blah blah blah

My suspicion would be, like the majority of Catholics, the majority of Paksitani's would have been horrified to have discovered this was happening. Either that or they all colluded to cover it up.

You are quite right but by bringing this up we again get into the "well look at them, they did it as well"......meanwhile 1400, yes 1400 children have been abused and the police and authorities turned a blind eye because of the fear of upsetting the Pakistani community, who as you state could be horrified.

 

[User removed 4]

Just like the Catholic Church did nothing - moral and spiritual guidance, listen to the priests, strong family community ties / blah blah blah

My suspicion would be, like the majority of Catholics, the majority of Paksitani's would have been horrified to have discovered this was happening. Either that or they all colluded to cover it up.

Yes, absolutely outrageous what the Catholic church has done , tell me though , were the abused chosen on the basis of their ethnicity ?? As for whether the majority of Pakistanis knew, In a community like theirs there is no way they didn't, doubt they actively colluded to cover it up though , they just did nothing as they didn't give a toss.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Yes, absolutely outrageous what the Catholic church has done , tell me though , were the abused chosen on the basis of their ethnicity ?? As for whether the majority of Pakistanis knew, In a community like theirs there is no way they didn't, doubt they actively colluded to cover it up though , they just did nothing as they didn't give a toss.

I know, believe me I'm as angry as you are. The Catholic Church covered it up to the higher positions of power, internationally. Goodness knows how they chose their victims, generally the most vulnerable in society I would have thought. I don't know enough about Pakistani communities to know how many would know it was going on, or whether like any other criminal gang, fear and intimidation came into it. If you're going to say that as a community as a whole they knew and did nothing, that it has to follow that the same applies to Catholic communities where the abuse occurred to children and women for decades if not centuries. I don't want to believe either scenario to be honest, I would rather believe that there are bad eggs everywhere, but most of us are good regardless of race, colour, religion, culture.

 

[Soulman]

I know, believe me I'm as angry as you are. The Catholic Church covered it up to the higher positions of power, internationally. Goodness knows how they chose their victims, generally the most vulnerable in society I would have thought. I don't know enough about Pakistani communities to know how many would know it was going on, or whether like any other criminal gang, fear and intimidation came into it. If you're going to say that as a community as a whole they knew and did nothing, that it has to follow that the same applies to Catholic communities where the abuse occurred to children and women for decades if not centuries. I don't want to believe either scenario to be honest, I would rather believe that there are bad eggs everywhere, but most of us are good regardless of race, colour, religion, culture.

The difference between this case and the others that are being discovered around the country and cases like the Catholic church, Saville and Glitter etc is that the victims did not come forward because who would have believed the words of children against Priests, a Sir who did work for charity and a pop star.
The difference is this was 1400 cases, a lot REPORTED and just swept under the carpet by police and authorities, as stated in the Casey report. The reasons are fairly clear.

"“If we mentioned Asian taxi drivers we were told we were racist and the young people were seen as prostitutes.” A former social worker
“…you couldn’t bring up race issues in meetings… or you would be branded a racist.” A key partner
“The number one priority was to preserve and enhance the [Pakistani heritage] community – which wasn’t an unworthy goal but it wasn’t right at the time. It was difficult to stand up in a meeting and say that the perpetrators were from the Pakistani Heritage community and were using the taxi system – even though everyone knew it.” A former key partner"

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

"“If we mentioned Asian taxi drivers we were told we were racist and the young people were seen as prostitutes.” A former social worker
“…you couldn’t bring up race issues in meetings… or you would be branded a racist.” A key partner
“The number one priority was to preserve and enhance the [Pakistani heritage] community – which wasn’t an unworthy goal but it wasn’t right at the time. It was difficult to stand up in a meeting and say that the perpetrators were from the Pakistani Heritage community and were using the taxi system – even though everyone knew it.” A former key partner"

Some unbelievable comments, can't believe more heads haven't rolled.

 

[User removed 4]

Some unbelievable comments, can't believe more heads haven't rolled.

Welcome to the wonderful multicultural, egalitarian society that is England in 2015.

 

[Soulman]

Some unbelievable comments, can't believe more heads haven't rolled.

Not really unbelievable i'm afraid, ring a bell. This from the Oxford case, Guardian report just in case eh.
"The girls – all of whom came from backgrounds in care – were drugged, raped, sold as prostitutes and trafficked around the country while supposedly in the safekeeping of the local authority in the city.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/may/14/oxford-gang-guilty-grooming-girls

Years of failings by Thames Valley police and Oxford social services were exposed during the trial. Police were alerted at least six times by victims – who were aged between 11 and 15 – of the exploitation and horrors that were taking place within flats and guesthouses and in the parks and open spaces of the Cowley area of Oxford.