Rotherham Child Rape Scandal

[Soulman]

Oh, and Oldham/Rochdale....also from the Guardian, there is a pattern emerging.
"The force has faced criticism for its handling of the original investigation in 2008, when a 15-year-old girl complained she'd been attacked and groomed.
"The trial, which ended on Tuesday, heard the five victims – the youngest was 13 when the abuse began – were plied with food, alcohol, drugs and gifts so they could be passed around a group of men for sex"

Read on........ http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/may/09/rochdale-gang-jailed-sexually-exploiting
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[Soulman]

Then there is Derby.
"Many of the victims were given alcohol or drugs before being forced to have sex in cars, rented houses or hotels across the Midlands"
A gang of men from Derby has been convicted of systematically grooming and sexually abusing teenage girls.
TWENTY-SEVEN girls came forward to say they had been victims, the youngest of whom was 12 and the oldest was 18. Convictions have been achieved for 15 of those.
Speaking after the hearing, Det Insp Sean Dawson said: "These convictions have brought an end to a lengthy and complex investigation that has been brought to court thanks to the bravery of the victims in this case.

The police were on the ball in this case.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-11799797

 

[Soulman]

Blackpool.........i won't bother copying.......the link.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...d-for-sex-at-takeaway-shops-in-Blackpool.html

 

[mr sheen]

i'd suggest the Pakisataini community in Rotherham let themselves down too. they are in the catalogue those turning a blind eye and failing to uphold their own principles, failure to accept this involvment within a minority will only allow this to be replicated again for the sake of sensitivities. its time that minorities faced up to problems in their midsts, whatever the minority, and stop shielding behind some misguided sence of community loyalty to those that commit crimes.

I think the main people let down were the abused. Let down by their parents, by the system supposed to protect them, let down by their abusers, let down by wider society. 2000 abuse cases without it being known about outside of a small circle? In a single town? Use it to score political points, or anti religion or race points, I'm not sure that helps the victims.

 

[beorhthelm]

I think the main people let down were the abused. Let down by their parents, by the system supposed to protect them, let down by their abusers, let down by wider society. 2000 abuse cases without it being known about outside of a small circle? In a single town? Use it to score political points, or anti religion or race points, I'm not sure that helps the victims.

absolutly, and i see alot of people using this episode to reinforce their prejudices. i also see people trying to defend those that must have known and kept quite for whatever reason and my point is that everyone must learn that isnt acceptable. we cant do much for the victims now, we can hope to avoid a repeat though.

 

[Soulman]

I think the main people let down were the abused. Let down by their parents, by the system supposed to protect them, let down by their abusers, let down by wider society. 2000 abuse cases without it being known about outside of a small circle? In a single town? Use it to score political points, or anti religion or race points, I'm not sure that helps the victims.

Yep, you are correct, but unlike the Saville case, which got weeks of coverage, the grooming's in our towns have been more low key, the same system and same tactics of abuse in each case, the same neglect by the authorities and police in case it stirs up cultural trouble.
Many more cases are being investigated and i think these will get the same low key exposure so as not to upset the community.
Meanwhile young girls targeted.........are the victims.

 

[mr sheen]

Yep, you are correct, but unlike the Saville case, which got weeks of coverage, the grooming's in our towns have been more low key, the same system and same tactics of abuse in each case, the same neglect by the authorities and police in case it stirs up cultural trouble.
Many more cases are being investigated and i think these will get the same low key exposure so as not to upset the community.
Meanwhile young girls targeted.........are the victims.

I think what we're finding is that, in addition to these instances, there was loads of abuse going on , in all our towns, low key, same system ,same abuse, by all sorts of groups, for at least the last fifty years. Some were left untouched for cultural sensitivity, some because of the power of those undertaking, some because of the. celebrity of the perpetrators, some because no one cared enough. I'm not going to vilify all politicians, all priests, all celebrities , all glam rock stars and all Pakistani Muslims because of it.

I am however quite happy to go on record as stating both Farage and the SWP are absolute cvnts.

 

[Soulman]

I think what we're finding is that, in addition to these instances, there was loads of abuse going on , in all our towns, low key, same system ,same abuse, by all sorts of groups, for at least the last fifty years. Some were left untouched for cultural sensitivity, some because of the power of those undertaking, some because of the. celebrity of the perpetrators, some because no one cared enough. I'm not going to vilify all politicians, all priests, all celebrities , all glam rock stars and all Pakistani Muslims because of it.

I am however quite happy to go on record as stating both Farage and the SWP are absolute cvnts.

A Friday night drink involved in your post.
I can not see that Farage or the SWP can be blamed for the Rochdale Child Rape Scandal or the other cases and victims discussed....maybe on a different thread though.

 

[mr sheen]

A Friday night drink involved in your post.
I can not see that Farage or the SWP can be blamed for the Rochdale Child Rape Scandal or the other cases and victims discussed....maybe on a different thread though.

I think you'll find both mentioned on this one

 

[Soulman]

I think you'll find both mentioned on this one

Yep, i noticed, i just took it as deflection, which is worrying when deflection, changing the subject and ignoring is why so many children countrywide have been abused.

 

[mr sheen]

Yep, i noticed, i just took it as deflection, which is worrying when deflection, changing the subject and ignoring is why so many children countrywide have been abused.

Try not to look at abuse by one group in isolation. That also deflects.

 

[Soulman]

Try not to look at abuse by one group in isolation. That also deflects.

I haven't, which is why i have posted my disgust on Saville threads, on Glitter, and got an infraction on the Elm Guest house thread.
Your assumption and indeed the deflection is why this problem of grooming (not by all "Asians") by certain people is ignored or deemed not allowed to be talked about in case it upsets.
I think the reports put up earlier with key factor comments would suggest that saying nothing or ignoring is not helpful to the victims.

 

[Tight shorts]

What is needed in our society is a cultural shift so that it is no longer easy for people with more power than their victims to use that power to abuse. This involves a whole new way of educating girls and boys to understand when people have power over them, be it taxi drivers, celebrities, footballers, teachers, priests etc and when that power corrupts. It involves youngsters understanding the difference between a healthy relationship and exploitation. Many victims of sexual exploitation actually believed their pimps "loved" them despite being passed around as a sexual toy. We need more effective statutory services that lose their hierarchical culture which means a front line worker who makes a report on a suspicion of abuse gets that taken seriously and is kept informed on the outcome of their suspicions rather than simply being told to "report it to their line manager" and being cut out of the process because someone with more "power" is supposedly dealing with it. As individuals we need to seriously think about why we use our power to abuse, enslave, victimise and exploit. As the gap between rich and poor gets bigger and massive cuts to services such as youth services start to impact I really wonder how we can make things better.

 

[Soulman]

'picketed' 'mob rule' - your interpretations of a peaceful protest….check
taking Labour MP's quote out of context…check
Poor Farage and UKIP, the innocent victims…check

Yep, all there.

Check.....


The deputy leader of Rotherham Council has stepped down over claims he knew about a relationship between a girl in care and a suspected child abuser. Jahangir Akhtar's decision follows the publication of one woman's account of being allowed contact with the alleged abuser from 1999, when aged 14. The Times newspaper reported Mr Akhtar is related to the alleged offender and was aware of their relationship.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-23820054

But this is where it gets weird....

senior Labour councillor has refused to comment on internet rumours linking him with UKIP. Jahangir Akhtar, who was deputy leader at Rotherham Borough Council until last May, had been linked with the anti-EU party. Mr Akhtar, one of four members currently suspended by Labour following the Jay report, said he refused to comment on the “one-sided” blog.
www.rotherhamadvertiser.co.uk/news/...r-councillor-tight-lipped-over-ukip-link.aspx


And


A little while ago after Jahangir realised his future in the Labour Party was all behind him, I learned something I find incredible! An email arrived at UKIP HQ, addressed to Nigel Farage, offering his services and promising to ‘spill the beans’ on his former colleagues, in return for membership of UKIP and a seat on Rotherham Council. He signed his email Jahangir Akhtar, however he took the precaution of using an email account, perhaps he thought he might be able to deny?

In this instance denial would be futile, as Rothpol has already established this email account as being linked to Jahangir Akhtar
rotherhampolitics.wordpress.com/2015/01/08/jahangir-akhtar-disloyalty-knows-no-bounds/

 

[spring hall convert]

i'd suggest the Pakisataini community in Rotherham let themselves down too. they are in the catalogue those turning a blind eye and failing to uphold their own principles, failure to accept this involvment within a minority will only allow this to be replicated again for the sake of sensitivities. its time that minorities faced up to problems in their midsts, whatever the minority, and stop shielding behind some misguided sence of community loyalty to those that commit crimes.

Read about the types of men these guys were. The community lived in fear of them. People that spoke out suffered acts of violence and for what? An establishment that did nothing about it. The authorities knew who these men were and didn't act.

 

[spring hall convert]

Christ I've literally heard it all now, the Pakistani community was also let down this is a community we are constantly told has strong family ties/moral values/listens to elders /blah blah blah , so these nonces were drug dealers and pimps ? You can bet your bottom dollar the only girls they were pimping for were the under age white KIDS, ask yourself this, the community knew about it and did nothing , would they have done nothing if it was under age Pakistani girls being targeted ? Course not, but they did nothing this time because it was only immoral , decadent white trash who DESERVED it, and now they're bleating about racial tensions , blame etc, people like you will go to any lengths to avoid facing the truth.

These men were violent criminals, the authorities knew who they were. Would you speak out against gangsters in your community in the knowledge that the authorities were doing NOTHING about it? You may as well kill yourself and save them the bother.

Let's be clear here, the ethnicity of the men in question is relevant but less so than the fact they were violent criminals who were known to the authorities. Of course the Pakistani community have been let down. The abysmal management of this situation has served only to increase racial tensions and give fuel to your fire.

 

[Soulman]

'picketed' 'mob rule' -
Poor Farage and UKIP, the innocent victims…check

Yep, all there.

All pre arranged. http://www.ukip.org/ukip_dismayed_after_police_fail_to_stop_protesters_in_rotherham

 

[Deleted member 22389]

All pre arranged. http://www.ukip.org/ukip_dismayed_after_police_fail_to_stop_protesters_in_rotherham

Those fing idiots protesting yesterday. Farage is an easy target, always. They wouldn't dare protest over the more damaging issues that have gone on there.

 

[Soulman]

Those fing idiots protesting yesterday. Farage is an easy target, always. They wouldn't dare protest over the more damaging issues that have gone on there.

By the looks of it many could not spell what is going on there. Beggars belief that those plums demonstrate in a town about nothing, yet say nothing when it comes to the rape and grooming scandal. Just about sums up these sad acts

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-32586558