Rotherham Child Rape Scandal

[Leighgull]

I agree that these men are racist scum 100% and have said that in previous posts. Some posters on this thread seem to believe that these men have a predilection for raping young girls/women because of their ethnicity which is simply wrong.

The irony is that the council's fear of being labeled racist will probably lead to far greater racism in Rotherham/the rest of the UK. No doubt it will be innocent Asian men who will suffer the fallout.

If you define ethnicity as an amalgamation of heritage, geography and race then it IS a factor.

Ethnicity is not entirely a racial issue. Travellers are white Europeans but are ethnic minorities because of their culture. If you tested my DNA I imagine it would be similar to an Irish travellers. I am Anglo Irish with some Eastern European blood. I am clearly not an Irish traveller because my culture is not theirs.

 

[JCL666]

Don't patronise me thank you.

If they were white we would be calling them racist scumbag perverts, we wouldn't be blaming this on their 'culture', 'religion' or ethnicity. That is my point.

Sorry but I think you're wrong.

When you look at the actions of an individual or group, you have to consider what has contributed toward their actions.

So if it was a bunch of white guys doing this, we would probably look at what in society has contributed towards them thinking it is an ok thing to do.

Have a look at this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Pakistan

And maybe this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_culture

The men in this case are from a country where rape has been normalised.

Also sex with younger women is an area within islam that is under a lot of scrutiny, mainly because muhammad is purported to have married one wife at six, then had sex with her when she was nine.
http://www.islamicislamic.com/marriage_old_divorce.htm#4._MARRIAGE_AGE_

I'm afraid that if you consider the country of origin and the religious background of the perpetrators, there is a link between their culture and their behaviour.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

If the culture of Yorkshire was hitting women over the head with a Ball Pean hammer then ******* on their corpses I imagine wider society would have an opinion.

The culture of rural Pakistan is almost medieval compared to the secular west. The two don't mix. Never did. Never will.

These guys need to up their game or clear off back home.

Exactly or don't let them in to our country in the first place.

 

[El Presidente]

Exactly or don't let them in to our country in the first place.

What if they were born here?

 

[Nibble]

Unfortunately Muslim Pakistani culture regards women as lowest of the low. They are a backwards bunch of animals and that is why they commuted these crimes.
Unfortunately white British Christian males in authority are self serving cowards and that is why these crimes were not stopped.

 

[Razzoo]

South Yorks. Police again showing startling incompetence. The really sad thing is you can be sure this is the tip of the iceberg. When are the authorities going to start looking after and out for vulnerable youngsters.
I hope these evil gangs get very heavy sentences.
I can't help feeling that the parents of these girls are not entirely blameless.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

What if they were born here?

A very lengthy prison service, say a minimum of 25 years.

 

[Leighgull]

South Yorks. Police again showing startling incompetence. The really sad thing is you can be sure this is the tip of the iceberg. When are the authorities going to start looking after and out for vulnerable youngsters.
I hope these evil gangs get very heavy sentences.
I can't help feeling that the parents of these girls are not entirely blameless.

Some of these kids are in care so already parentless to all intents and purposes. There are many others though who have good parents who have been begging the police to help without success. There was a woman interviewed this morning who's daughter was groomed and gang raped by some of these *******s. The daughter (14) was convinced one of these guys loved her and would escape from her home to be with him and was self harming when stopped. She was out searching the Asian areas for her child most nights...the lad was even picking her up from school without the authorities intervening.

Whichever way it's painted these men knew what they were doing was wrong, they knew that the authorities were not inclined to stop them so it spiralled to this godawful mess.

 

[Nibble]

Some parents went to the scums houses to fetch their daughters and the police arrested the parents! This country is over .

 

[carlzeiss]

I can't help feeling that the parents of these girls are not entirely blameless.

Well Laura Wilsons mother does blame herself for her daughters fate at the hands of these evil scum .
As she says herself though she could not watch over her daughter 24/7 .
If she could then she would still be alive today .

If you haven't already done so , this is a must read .
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/love-triangle-teen-laura-wilson-1485146

 

[SK1NT]

This "Asian" tag is completely out of order, the media are always referring to these crimes as "Asian". I know that many Asian people which includes many countries and religions, are annoyed at this term. It is the Muslims that are grooming etc, as has been proved in Oxford, Derby, Oldham etc etc.
Unfortunately the papers/media will not print Muslim grooming, happy to be able to include Indians, Thais, Chinese etc etc under the term "Asian" grooming.

Think you will find it is specifically Pakistani men and even then that can be narrowed down to mainly rural Pakistan... Labelling the filthy scum as Asian or Muslim is simply incorrect.

 

[London Irish]

If you only look at a problem from one angle you may miss the actual issues and not address the root cause. And I think not to see any culture aspect to the sheer number of girls and court cases is rather missing the elephant in the room.

But is the root cause here race? No one is arguing it wasn't an aggravating factor here which must be dealt with, but this country has a terrible record of defending vulnerable children from predators. Yewtree and the catholic church have been the most high profile but care homes across the UK have been regularly targeted by child abusers for many decades.

There is something rotten going on all right - but the cultural lessons are far more profound than cheap hits on Muslims by EDL types on here - we are talking about rape culture, male entitlement, lack of kids' rights, family abuse - these evils have been widespread historically

 

[Creaky]

Think you will find it is specifically Pakistani men and even then that can be narrowed down to mainly rural Pakistan... Labelling the filthy scum as Asian or Muslim is simply incorrect.

The problem with that argument is that so far only 5 men have been convicted of offences connected to the Rotherham investigations - all 5 are British born.

"The fact that these particular gangs are made up of Pakistani men is significant but not in the way racists would have us believe," says one child protection expert who asked not to be named. "While the BNP would have us believe that abusing white girls is an endemic part of these men's culture — which it absolutely is not — the truth is that these men are aware that the police do not want to be accused of racism in today's climate."

http://standpointmag.co.uk/features...ruth-julie-bindel-asian-gangs-pimps-rotherham

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

But is the root cause here race? No one is arguing it wasn't an aggravating factor here which must be dealt with, but this country has a terrible record of defending vulnerable children from predators. Yewtree and the catholic church have been the most high profile but care homes across the UK have been regularly targeted by child abusers for many decades.

There is something rotten going on all right - but the cultural lessons are far more profound than cheap hits on Muslims by EDL types on here - we are talking about rape culture, male entitlement, lack of kids' rights, family abuse - these evils have been widespread historically

Well something is going on. Of course the race element is when the perpetrators are looked at in this type of case is the colour of their skin. But it would be a mistake to ignore that - investigation is needed.

This is from Yasmin Alibah Brown in the Independent

"The perpetrators are not paedophiles in the normal sense of the word. Racial and cultural odium as much as ugly lust and power drives them to abuse. Most of them are also irreversibly misogynist. It is a lethal mix, this sexist psychopathy. I partly blame their families and communities. Too many Asian mothers spoil their boys, undervalue their girls, and demean their daughters-in-law. Within some British Asian circles, the West is considered degenerate and immoral. So it’s OK to take their girls and ruin them further. Some of the most fierce rows I have ever had have been with Asian women who hold these disgusting views."

You need to read the full article - but it is not good enough to say there are all sorts of perpetrators and ignore the most obvious factor because it makes us feel uncomfortable. That is a reason why this went on so long. No-one wanted to be called racist.

The problem does not start and end with this cultural issue. But you just need to look at these cases and who is being charged to see there is as you say, something rotten.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

The problem with that argument is that so far only 5 men have been convicted of offences connected to the Rotherham investigations - all 5 are British born.

Being born here does not mean a child automatically takes on the culture of the country (with all the pluses and minuses that brings). See the quote above.

 

[Creaky]

Being born here does not mean a child automatically takes on the culture of the country (with all the pluses and minuses that brings). See the quote above.

That wasn't the argument that had the 'problem'

Being British born then they don't fit the following

Think you will find it is specifically Pakistani men and even then that can be narrowed down to mainly rural Pakistan... Labelling the filthy scum as Asian or Muslim is simply incorrect.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

That wasn't the argument that had the 'problem'

Being British born then they don't fit the following

Ah sorry. I once recruited a bloke as a systems analyst who had to deal with customers, development team, mid-twenties, smart, well-spoken, IT graduate. Born in the UK to Asian parents. He used to talk about English girls as "splitters" and other similar terms - distasteful, and I told him so, but I assumed he was talking about older teenagers. Now I am not so sure.

You would not have recognised him as rural Pakistan.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Again issues like this highlight failings in our how our society works or rather doesn't work.

The systematic failure of the upholders of our society to safeguard its citizens comes once more to the fore.

The rhetoric posted on here by some and the response from others to whether the terms used are correct is again failing to grasp the reason that allow such atrocities to happen. I do not care if they offend some in pursuit of justice for the victims or indeed if it should raise tensions within the communities. What has happened is due to in the main to those in authority not wishing to "rock the boat". Added to which as we now know many of those in authority are just as bad a these people are?

As has been noted by those better placed than me these people cultural backgrounds have a huge influence on how they respect women but white women more so. It also appears that some of the younger men may also have been "groomed" into a role which they have become to believe the expected behaviour.

I'm sure that this is the tip of the iceberg but do we really expect the authorities to actually do the right thing about it? That I doubt. Like with Yewtree, Hall, Saville and so on the acceptance of their activities by so many over the years beggars belief. However the we look into our society the more we see of the "open" secret society. The Leverson inquiry was only really in existence to quieten down dissenting voices from within. Yes people shouldn't have been exposed or had their phones tapped etc. However embroiled within all this was the need for investigative journalists to continue their work. I know a tremendous amount of the inquiries leading up to Leverson and I'm aware that certain evidence was left out as this went right to the top of government over 15 years. The fact there couldn't be a whistleblower that exposed the full facts makes me very suspicious that any inquiry regarding child sex abuse whether it be Muslims, Public Figures or whoever, will ever open up the darker side of our society.

We as a society have changed over the last years, intolerance of racist, sexist etc remarks have been much in the promotion of multicultural society. However many of the people "welcomed" into our society and those born of these people, are not so "modern" thinking. The vast majority of us a not at all radical in our thinking and find it hard to comprehend how another could be whether it towards religion or their sexual beliefs. It wasn't long ago that all gays were expected of raping young boys. Is education the answer? Problem being many of these sections of society are closed to the main so their education is only from within. It is up to those within their own societies to out these people and their practices. Again something I can't see happening anytime soon.

It is very similar to those in governance of our society they will rarely out one of their own. Power leads to power. Those with power also have the tendency to abuse that position. I have watched in horror as a certain well known person who frequently abused his female staff, only to be told by them we were told of his wondering hands during training, but if you want to get on in the company, go to his garden parties accept what he does as a bit of fun and you'll be fine. It's not though is it?

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

Still no resignations.

Shaun Wright was the Labour councillor in charge of children's services at Rotherham Council from 2005 to 2010. He's now
South Yorkshire's Police Commissioner.

IMO he shouldn't be resigning, he should be sacked ( but I guess as he was elected I'm not sure how that works.) along with senior managers within Rotherham Social Services.

All the usual crap about 'lessons being learnt' etc., 'we're sorry' etc., isn't good enough. Why do these people never take responsibility?

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

Labour Party have now said they will suspend him if he hasn't resigned by Thursday morning.

About time too.