Rotherham Child Rape Scandal

[beorhthelm]

But is the root cause here race?

Yes, if not "the" then at least a key root cause. we have to accept this as a fact in order to move on to addressing it. failure to accept this is half the reason its been allowed to go on so long.

 

[Soulman]

Well after the Hillsborough cover up and now this scandal for South Yorks police....

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

OK. This has shown NSC is a fairly representative section of society (no surprise) generally Brightonians are a tolerant bunch inclined towards liberalism and generally dismissive of racism, sexism and whatever isms widely held by football supporters (overwhelmingly white, working class/middle class men)

Considering that we are talking about child rape, intimidation and paedophilia on a massive scale there seems to be a fairly measured response with remarkably low end racism or culturalism.

The fact is that the perpetrators are (largely) unpunished and they are unlikely to be exposed.Their community will close ranks around them and their wives and mothers will never expose them because that's not how it works with their system. After the first lot were convicted we had a very quick succession of Muslim commentators on the TV and in the papers saying how isolated these events were and that their was a danger that over scrutiny would mean violence against innocents. Well. What now? We now learn that this is widespread, possibly extending to EVERY town where there are significant Pakistani communities and vulnerable white girls. We simply cannot allow the Pakistani community to police itself anymore. Groups of Pakistani men in cars hanging around white girls will have to be moved on as a matter of course and any socialising between teenage girls and Pakistani boys will have to be challenged by the police. How long before heavy handed ness by the police leads Asian lads to get into conflict with OB?

What a bloody mess.

 

[Soulman]

OK. This has shown NSC is a fairly representative section of society (no surprise) generally Brightonians are a tolerant bunch inclined towards liberalism and generally dismissive of racism, sexism and whatever isms widely held by football supporters (overwhelmingly white, working class/middle class men)

Considering that we are talking about child rape, intimidation and paedophilia on a massive scale there seems to be a fairly measured response with remarkably low end racism or culturalism.

The fact is that the perpetrators are (largely) unpunished and they are unlikely to be exposed.Their community will close ranks around them and their wives and mothers will never expose them because that's not how it works with their system. After the first lot were convicted we had a very quick succession of Muslim commentators on the TV and in the papers saying how isolated these events were and that their was a danger that over scrutiny would mean violence against innocents. Well. What now? We now learn that this is widespread, possibly extending to EVERY town where there are significant Pakistani communities and vulnerable white girls. We simply cannot allow the Pakistani community to police itself anymore. Groups of Pakistani men in cars hanging around white girls will have to be moved on as a matter of course and any socialising between teenage girls and Pakistani boys will have to be challenged by the police. How long before heavy handed ness by the police leads Asian lads to get into conflict with OB?

What a bloody mess.

Just cases in a few towns exposed so far, apparently over 50 others being investigated, so yes it is apparently widespread.
Hopefully after this case and Oxford, Derby and Oldham the authorities and forces will act quicker and resist from ignoring and covering up.

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

Just cases in a few towns exposed so far, apparently over 50 others being investigated, so yes it is apparently widespread.
Hopefully after this case and Oxford, Derby and Oldham the authorities and forces will act quicker and resist from ignoring and covering up.

I'm sure they will. What I'm saying is that the police will have to intervene and stop Asian guys from associating with white girls (children) whenever they see it. How long before the Pakistani community cries foul, racism, unfair, discrimination?

The one thing that the Muslims in general and Pakistani Muslims in particular are good at is highlighting when theyre being singled out for special treatment.

This is the reason that 70 year old white women have to be scanned and probed at airports to show that there is no racism against Asians despite the fact that Asian or middle eastern men are far more likely to be terrorists and so should EXPECT to be viewed with more suspicion than white travellers.

It is clear that some ethnic groups are more likely to be involved in certain crimes than others and policing should reflect that...whatever sensitivities it offends.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

I'm sure they will. What I'm saying is that the police will have to intervene and stop Asian guys from associating with white girls (children) whenever they see it. How long before the Pakistani community cries foul, racism, unfair, discrimination?

The one thing that the Muslims in general and Pakistani Muslims in particular are good at is highlighting when theyre being singled out for special treatment.

This is the reason that 70 year old white women have to be scanned and probed at airports to show that there is no racism against Asians despite the fact that Asian or middle eastern men are far more likely to be terrorists and so should EXPECT to be viewed with more suspicion than white travellers.

It is clear that some ethnic groups are more likely to be involved in certain crimes than others and policing should reflect that...whatever sensitivities it offends.

This is what I alluded to in my previous post.

The problem here as in many other cases is that those doing the investigations and those who should have listened more to the cries for help are to, tarnished organisations. Honest people are losing trust in the very system that should be safeguarding the population. Added to which they are too often being exposed as being no better and also rife with perpetrators of this horrendous crime .

It will not be long before we here this is all the fault of cut backs and alike. But it isn't it is the failure to realize that never mind the tensions it may cause these things need to be investigated and the perpetrators brought to justice.

Unfortunately the "establishment" is found wanting too often in such circumstances, and due to this it allows the extremes from both sides to flourish.

The power to investigate has been dealt a blow recently and now good true TV investigative programmes find it hard to gather their evidence. The "grubby" side of this is the private investigator. Not your divorce type attempting to catch your mrs up to no good but the ones who go deep into the communities and find first hand what is going on. Many of these where used by, of course tv, newspapers but also by the security services, the police or locally the councils. Many are ex special service but they have all been tarnished post Leveson. It is essential that whilst the BBC have been proved to harbour their past that other people are free to expose this. If left down to the authorities we don't stand much chance.

The church, the police, the councils, government and now the closed community of the Muslims have so many cases to answer, who's going to ask the questions? It's truly is worrying.

 

[London Irish]

Yes, if not "the" then at least a key root cause. we have to accept this as a fact in order to move on to addressing it. failure to accept this is half the reason its been allowed to go on so long.

If race was the root cause here, was christianity the root cause of the decades of child abuse by priests?

 

[Leighgull]

If race was the root cause here, was christianity the root cause of the decades of child abuse by priests?

Yes. Sort of.

I have priests in the family...one very close both have told me that they know several gay catholic priest, one trained with a couple. Basically they knew they were gay but knew that it was very frowned on in rural Ireland so they chose to go to seminary in the mistaken belief that celibacy would "cure" them and that God would stop their inclinations if they took holy orders.

Obviously biology does not work that way and you end up with highly repressed gay men in positions of huge trust with families...the rest is inevitable I'm afraid.

With these Pakistanis you have a similar issue. Young men with no access to women from within their own community because of repression and religious forbiddance, surrounded by sexual imagery in western media and told, from an early age, that non Muslim females don't count in terms of forbidden sex..use them as you wish basically. It's not really a surprise that things go badly wrong.

It does mean that, unfortunately, there is an urgent need for apartheid between Pakistani men and non Muslim girls though. And that is going to ratchet up tension no end.

 

[London Irish]

It does mean that, unfortunately, there is an urgent need for apartheid between Pakistani men and non Muslim girls though. And that is going to ratchet up tension no end.

Thoughtful response but I'm still worried about a double standard here. Why aren't you arguing strongly for the urgent need for apartheid between Catholic priests and any person under the age of 18?

 

[Leighgull]

Thoughtful response but I'm still worried about a double standard here. Why aren't you arguing strongly for the urgent need for apartheid between Catholic priests and any person under the age of 18?

That's not a bad idea. Indoctrinating children into any religion before they're old enough to make reasoned decisions for themselves is utterly abhorrent.

I went to a De La Salle school and had Jesuits teach me. That caused me all sorts of problems for years.

 

[beorhthelm]

If race was the root cause here, was christianity the root cause of the decades of child abuse by priests?

no. why would you want to conflate two entirely seperate problems? i heard a local community leader acknowledge the links with in race and culture/religion, so lets accept this.

 

[yxee]

Why is everyone talking about this man? If he's not going to step down then let him try and fix things. National politicians (especially from the labour party) meddling with local affairs is not a new thing, but the man has been democratically elected for heaven's sake. Why don't people focus on fixing the actual problem rather than trying to scapegoat a single man.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Well it just about sums it up.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...rs-who-presided-over-child-abuse-scandal.html

 

[Soulman]

I'm sure they will. What I'm saying is that the police will have to intervene and stop Asian guys from associating with white girls (children) whenever they see it. How long before the Pakistani community cries foul, racism, unfair, discrimination?

The one thing that the Muslims in general and Pakistani Muslims in particular are good at is highlighting when theyre being singled out for special treatment.

This is the reason that 70 year old white women have to be scanned and probed at airports to show that there is no racism against Asians despite the fact that Asian or middle eastern men are far more likely to be terrorists and so should EXPECT to be viewed with more suspicion than white travellers.

It is clear that some ethnic groups are more likely to be involved in certain crimes than others and policing should reflect that...whatever sensitivities it offends.

Exactly

 

[Leighgull]

So now the witch hunt begins...I expect flaming here but I feel quite sorry for the councillors and police officers involved in this ess.

They are responsible for keeping an uneasy peace between the British underclass and a very large closed group of Pakistani immigrants who are quite volatile, especially when their "culture" is questioned.

There were numerous reports that something was going on which were looked at and fund unproved. Some of these abused girls were deliberately protecting their abusers, believing them to be the love of their lives. I can well believe that, eventually, they would just shrug their collective shoulders and "file" the complaint.

 

[Greyrun]

These scandals revolve around Taxi firms,as we have a large number of foreign drivers in Brighton and Hove I hope we are not involved.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

So now the witch hunt begins...I expect flaming here but I feel quite sorry for the councillors and police officers involved in this ess.

They are responsible for keeping an uneasy peace between the British underclass and a very large closed group of Pakistani immigrants who are quite volatile, especially when their "culture" is questioned.

There were numerous reports that something was going on which were looked at and fund unproved. Some of these abused girls were deliberately protecting their abusers, believing them to be the love of their lives. I can well believe that, eventually, they would just shrug their collective shoulders and "file" the complaint.

Bet you wouldn't hold that view if it was your child who'd been raped.

 

[Leighgull]

Bet you wouldn't hold that view if it was your child who'd been raped.

If it was my child I'm afraid there would be some seriously traumatised Pakistanis. I wouldn't be hanging about for OB.

 

[keaton]

I'm sure they will. What I'm saying is that the police will have to intervene and stop Asian guys from associating with white girls (children) whenever they see it. How long before the Pakistani community cries foul, racism, unfair, discrimination?

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You don't think it is racist to stop Asian men from associating with white girls?

And how? Using what laws or legislation?

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

You don't think it is racist to stop Asian men from associating with white girls?

In the light of the findings of the Rotherham report - that is a fairly damning comment. The original comment was:

stop Asian guys from associating with white girls (children)

Better care (and the required resources) need to be invested to protect children regardless of who is trying to exploit. But a child is a child.