Chesney Christ
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Robert Enke Dead
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Chesney Christ
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herecomesaregular
We're in the pipe, 5 by 5
my two penneth:
- i think NMH is being a bit unfairly treated here. IF he had parked a car infront of a train (as was first reported) then i would agree that endangering a lot of innocent others was selfish and inexusable.
- i have sympathy for his pain, absolutely. but his pain is over now and i have MORE sympathy for those close to him that have to now live with the after effects of his suicide. such thoughts: did i do enough to help him? did i contribute to him killing himself? those are very hard things to live with. so in some way i think suicide is very selfish and hurtful to others. in the past, i have had suicidal thoughts myself but would never do it as i would not like to burden others. and i disagree with previous views that suicide has to be an irrational thought, i think it can be a very rational decision. but leaving others to carry that pain with them. how will his wife feel? his mother? a lot of sadness to leave others to live with.
- i think NMH is being a bit unfairly treated here. IF he had parked a car infront of a train (as was first reported) then i would agree that endangering a lot of innocent others was selfish and inexusable.
- i have sympathy for his pain, absolutely. but his pain is over now and i have MORE sympathy for those close to him that have to now live with the after effects of his suicide. such thoughts: did i do enough to help him? did i contribute to him killing himself? those are very hard things to live with. so in some way i think suicide is very selfish and hurtful to others. in the past, i have had suicidal thoughts myself but would never do it as i would not like to burden others. and i disagree with previous views that suicide has to be an irrational thought, i think it can be a very rational decision. but leaving others to carry that pain with them. how will his wife feel? his mother? a lot of sadness to leave others to live with.
brightonlass2009
Sports sports sports!
Unfortunately life if not black and white. The reason NMH was so badly slagged off (be me also) was because he showed himself to be insensitive to the issue. A man killed himself, regardless of how he did it, he killed himself due to depression that was no doubt eating away at his body, and he just could not take it anymore.
Yes, Robert Enke he's put lives in danger, and yes he has hurt a lot of people in the process...
But NMH cannot say that it's stupid and selfish when obvious he just does not understand the issue at hand. Comments like his, there is no place for them on a thread that was obviously intended to just be a place where people could write messages of condolence. If he wants to explain his narrow minded viewpoints then he should have done it somewhere else, and not provoked us into a full scale argument for his own amusement.
sotonseagull
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I've suffered with depression myself. All people have a different depression from the next. We all think differently, no one person has the same depression as the next. Thats the hard part in treatement. And because of this we all have different behaviours and different personalities as did this poor lad.
Its fair to say that its the ones we leave behind will be traumatised, questions will be asked of those close by. But with depression its not a low mood but much more servere than that.
i dont want to say anymore then this apart from RIP fella, i hope your sleeping peacefully. Good night.
Its fair to say that its the ones we leave behind will be traumatised, questions will be asked of those close by. But with depression its not a low mood but much more servere than that.
i dont want to say anymore then this apart from RIP fella, i hope your sleeping peacefully. Good night.
Barrel of Fun
Abort, retry, fail
That is the thing though. Do you believe he was thinking rationally? To take your own life, do you think he was calculating that his actions might kill other people? I don't think anyone is in a position to judge someone that has decided to park his/her car in front of a train (obviously not in this case).
Suicide bombers aim to take out as many people as possible.
Car-parking suicidal people are thinking only of killing themselves. Not about killing train passengers. If they were thinking logically, then they wouldn't be on a train track. Why are they not thinking logically? Because they are ill.
sotonseagull
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totally agree. It is an illness, just like any other. Its just harder to see as its in the mind, but real none the less.
brightonlass2009
Sports sports sports!
Unfortuately it's an illness that people don't understand. If it was physical then people would do so, but as it's just one that is mental there are those in our society who just don't want to even class it as being a true illness.
herecomesaregular
We're in the pipe, 5 by 5
well, i disagree (in SOME cases not all, everyone is different after all).
i do not believe that depression is always illogical or irrational. it can be a rational, logical decision to end your life if you feel unbearable pain or loss of all hope.
imo, anyone who has suicidal thoughts is suffering from depression, an illness. but that does not always mean their thinking is illogical.
looney
Banned
- Jul 7, 2003
- 15,652
Oh dear lord is there no bottom to the level people will sink to in their collective wallowing?
What do you hope to acheive by this mawkish lapel ripping merrygo round other than to turn on someone who dares question the emotional tourism or the right-on veiw of suicide.
Get a f***ing grip the lot of you.
What do you hope to acheive by this mawkish lapel ripping merrygo round other than to turn on someone who dares question the emotional tourism or the right-on veiw of suicide.
Get a f***ing grip the lot of you.
Uncle Spielberg
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This is the whole crux of the matter and posters who do not understand the illness when they say things like someone who kills themselves or decides to kill themselves IS or Maybe thinking logically. NO they are not. The survival instinct is a blue chip ingrained into every being on this planet. You see an animal corned about to be kill, you see its survival instinct then, you try and strangle a Dog, you see its survival instinct then.
The difference between animals who do not have the ability of thought and us sentient beings who do is that animals do not commit suicide. Human beings do becuase they can think but as their suruval instinct is every bit as strong as animals the thought process that arrives at that decision is OBVIOUSLY not logical.
These people are very ILL but alas large sections of society not just the couple of posters on here do not and frankly do not want to understand.
Monsieur Le Plonk
Lethargy in motion
Whether I agree with him or not is irrelevant (I don't for what is worth).....but those are his views and a ban is ridiculous.
Uncle Spielberg
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I disagree strongly with NMH's views but do not think he should be banned. If we ban free speech on NSC we may as well re name it North Stand Taliban Chat.
Dick Knights Mumm
Take me Home Falmer Road
I too absolutely defend nmh's right to be an insensitive, attention-seeking clod.
Buzzer
Languidly Clinical
- Oct 1, 2006
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I don't want to put words in Hiney's mouth but if I read his moderating decision correctly, then NMH was NOT banned for his odd views rather than his attitude in this thread. On explicitly being asked if he got a kick from upsetting people he said yes. And then later described this thread as "entertainment".
Given all that has happened here over the last week or so a little bit of respect for other posters wouldn't have gone amiss. Lets not paint NMH as some sort of freedom martyr. His attitude stinks and that's why he was told to cool off for 7 days.
El Pres sums it up nicely: don't be a cock on the board and you won't get banned.
Given all that has happened here over the last week or so a little bit of respect for other posters wouldn't have gone amiss. Lets not paint NMH as some sort of freedom martyr. His attitude stinks and that's why he was told to cool off for 7 days.
El Pres sums it up nicely: don't be a cock on the board and you won't get banned.
Uncle Spielberg
Well-known member
Fair enough.
Dick Knights Mumm
Take me Home Falmer Road
I see - he has actually been banned. The above was a joke. I agree with El Pres.
herecomesaregular
We're in the pipe, 5 by 5
people like you annoy me because you talk like you know it all, especially with your FACTS and OBVIOUSLYs. you don't know it all mate, in fact (pun intended) you talk a lot of crap most of the time on here. you get away with it because it is sometimes (unintentionally) amusing.
i maintain the right to disagree with you.
btw, have you seen The Cove? one of the leading experts on dolphins believes that they can "commit suicide" by stopping breathing as they don't have "automatic" breathing like we do. and before someone shits all over that theory, watch the fillm.
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Mr Banana
Tedious chump
Yep.
Except that, I guess, it's irrational to think of any pain as being unbearable. Or of all hope being irretrievably lost.
herecomesaregular
We're in the pipe, 5 by 5
Yep.
Except that, I guess, it's irrational to think of any pain as being unbearable. Or of all hope being irretrievably lost.[/QUOTE
oh dear, i disagree again
you ever told someone who says they are feeling suicidal that they are being irrational?
