respect for speedo

[empire]

some shocking statements on here,shocking

 

[Saint Lennard]

i dont give a flying to be honest he's selfish in my opinion to leave his 2 kids, life couldn't of bin that bad, 2 kids a sexy missus, millions of quid in bank, do me a favour speedo. i might top myself cos im telling ya life is alot more tougher for me at the present moment!

You've summed it up quite nicely there. You are just down on your luck but have the fortune to still be sane enough to shout your mouth off. When in the right frame of mind I'm sure Mr Speed realised what he had. It just goes to show what a bad state he was in. If you disagree maybe you should put up or shut up.

 

[Johnny Crumplin Football]

Beautifully put, sir

 

[cunning fergus]

You've summed it up quite nicely there. You are just down on your luck but have the fortune to still be sane enough to shout your mouth off. When in the right frame of mind I'm sure Mr Speed realised what he had. It just goes to show what a bad state he was in. If you disagree maybe you should put up or shut up.

How do you "put up or shut up" if you disagree?

I was at PP and we had some of our fans who started to sing "one Gary Speed" during the minutes applause.......it was f***ing hilarious, and proof (if any was needed) that some fans just sing anything for singing sake. Its not paying respect is it? Seems to me that we have to many fans who are inflicted by "scouse syndrome", always searching for an opportunity to wallow in self pity.

Frankly I couldn't care less about saint Gary Speed's death, l would rather have a minute's silence for the BHA fans who have died in between home games. Happy to applaud his suicide on basis that there's more oxygen for the rest of us................that's about it.

Merry Christmas.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Christ man calm down. He had no connection with the club that's correct but he was a professional respected by everyone and a minutes applause would of been the right thing to do.

But why?

If we don't always do it for some of our own clubs former players or (ex-)staff why should we do it for someone else again (done at Derby already) just because they had a higher public profile yet no connection?

Wouldn't that be insulting to the memory of those who were actually connected to the club (players / staff / fans) but weren't honoured by a minutes silence / applause

 

[Ernest]

Must admit I'm glad we didn't fall into this Gary Speed worship trap, why glorify a coward who took the easy way out and left his family to deal with the consequences.

 

[Skint Gull]

Some absolutely ASTONISHING lack of understanding of mental illness on here.... I really hope for some of your sakes it doesn't take something similar to happen to you before you'll understand

 

[kevtherev]

Sorry hate to sound a **** here, but in my opinion, no he doesn't.

We dont know the full facts and maybe never will (and maybe all be in a better position to judge if we ever do), but any man who can do tha,t and leave himself to be found hanging dead by his wife and two young sons, does not deserve respect IMO.

Yes he may have been a lovely man, yes he may have been in an awful place (not that any off his close friend saw a thing) but think about the hell he has left his wife and two sons, who I'm sure will never get over finding their dad hanging dead in their home. Do I have symphaty for Gary Speed, absolutely, do I respect him, absolutely not.

Sorry if people don't like that, but thats what I think.

100% agree with this...A minutes silence for the two young children he left behind may have been more in order.What did they ever do to deserve their daddy taking his own life. Whatever it was that lead to him doing it, I sympathise with. But at the end of the day its a cowards way out, the fall out it must leave behind is unthinkable. And before anyone has a go at me for my point of view. I suffered from serious depression for two years and it is truely awful and I even gave it consideration for a minute. Then I thought of the little girl who is sitting two feet away from me as I type and I knew I had too get through it.

 

[severnside gull]

Some absolutely ASTONISHING lack of understanding of mental illness on here.... I really hope for some of your sakes it doesn't take something similar to happen to you before you'll understand

In fairness................... mental illness? That is one hell of a leap and there is nothing known to support it as a supposition. Many people have very deeply held feelings/beliefs about suicide and even if they don't express it particularly well in all instances theirs is also a view that commands respect. My stepbrother took his own life some years ago. He wasn't mentally ill, nor even clinically depressed but he took what for him was an easier option and when I reflect back on our time together it was entirely within his character set to do what he did. The effect on his family was devastating and continues to be felt thirty years later. We don't know Gary Speed's circumstances although rumours are obviously beginning to circulate regarding possible triggers. What is known is that he had a life which was in many ways priveleged if pressured and that there appear to have been no visible indications of clinical mental illness in either the short or long term as witnessed by family and close friends. We also know that he left a wife and two young children whose lives will be permanantly effected by his going.

There is a very strong case to be made that in a media centric sport and a world which has become obsessed with "celebrity" the reaction to Speed's death by people who neither knew him or had any link to him is excessive. This is not to say that respect should not be paid but rather that it should be appropriate in order to be meaningful. To go further risks creating a circus which is neither appropriate nor especially helpful to those he left behind, particularly, possibly, should the circumstances ever become known, bearing in mind the possibility that they may not be as universally sympathetically recieved as justification for his actions. To be honest I think the midweek pre-match silence/applause was reasonable whilst for any club other than those he actually played for, anything beyond is excessive. That is my view and I neither demean nor disrespect his memory in holding it.

 

[Everest]

Happy to applaud his suicide on basis that there's more oxygen for the rest of us................that's about it.

What a CJTC-ish thing to say.
I just hope none of your family ever commit suicide then, you'd probably go out partying to celebrate if they did.

 

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

I've thought about Speed's death in minute for a lot longer than 1 minute. As a dad of two young children, I am still trying to get my head round it

I agree with that but I am also very uncomfortable about the circus that has fiollowed his death. the media have turned it into an event - and this alone makes me feel manipulated. But worse is the disquieting feeling I get about all the palaver. This apparently stable man clearly suffered under the pressure of all the expectations on him - to the point he carried out the most personal act you can - he chose to kill himself. This massive "Lady Di"esque outpouring of grief (and I use that word lightly here because I'm not sure it is) seems to me to be the last possible thing Gary Speed would have wanted.

All in all makes me reflect on my own mortality but also feel terribly uncomfortable about the whole way this has been handled. And no, we didn't need to have a minutes applause - it was done on Tuesday.

 

[Hillian1]

All this enforced grieving is beginning to get OTT in my opinion.

Yes he was a great player, even a role model but the man took his own life. Why? god only knows, I know I never want to be in the sort of place he was to even consider it.

A minutes Applause in these situations is best, if you have strong opinions on the subject, think he was a coward or selfish then you simply don't clap.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

I agree with that but I am also very uncomfortable about the circus that has fiollowed his death. the media have turned it into an event - and this alone makes me feel manipulated. But worse is the disquieting feeling I get about all the palaver. This apparently stable man clearly suffered under the pressure of all the expectations on him - to the point he carried out the most personal act you can - he chose to kill himself. This massive "Lady Di"esque outpouring of grief (and I use that word lightly here because I'm not sure it is) seems to me to be the last possible thing Gary Speed would have wanted.

All in all makes me reflect on my own mortality but also feel terribly uncomfortable about the whole way this has been handled. And no, we didn't need to have a minutes applause - it was done on Tuesday.

Oh I agree completely, I may not have been clear with my quote, I've thought about his death for more than a minute because it bothers me, I find it very unsettling and feel little but grief for his family - I need no minute's silence to show collective grief for the player, there are others who have lost more than him in this affair. Nor did I feel comfortable when the minute's silence at the swansea-villa game, and then other games afterwards, turned into a minute's applause - it felt like it was applauding him killing himself? Didn't like it.

 

[tgretton87]

How do you "put up or shut up" if you disagree?

I was at PP and we had some of our fans who started to sing "one Gary Speed" during the minutes applause.......it was f***ing hilarious, and proof (if any was needed) that some fans just sing anything for singing sake. Its not paying respect is it? Seems to me that we have to many fans who are inflicted by "scouse syndrome", always searching for an opportunity to wallow in self pity.

Frankly I couldn't care less about saint Gary Speed's death, l would rather have a minute's silence for the BHA fans who have died in between home games. Happy to applaud his suicide on basis that there's more oxygen for the rest of us................that's about it.

Merry Christmas.

I dont think we should have had a minutes silence for him but you, your a grade A arsehole. Heaven forbid anyone you care about should commit suicide because you may regret what you have just written on a public forum.

I think the mods need to shut this down just incase anyone outside of NSC stumble across this thread. Its not in good taste.

Ridiculous comment.

 

[The Large One]

It's one thing considering whether to mark the death of a good player/good person.

It's another thing to believe you take some high moral ground by gloriously revelling in the 'why should I give a shit about him?' school of thought.

 

[terryberry1]

Can't believe what Pricks we have on here. Gary Speed was obviously in a very Dark place, to say he is selfish is so disrespectful. No one know's what his state of mind was. The people who have made the negative comment's on here are probably lucky enough to never have suffered depression before.

 

[Turkey]

Wow... had no problem with us not having a minutes applause but some of the posts on this thread are thoroughly embarrassing.

 

[kevtherev]

Can't believe what Pricks we have on here. Gary Speed was obviously in a very Dark place, to say he is selfish is so disrespectful. No one know's what his state of mind was. The people who have made the negative comment's on here are probably lucky enough to never have suffered depression before.

I've suffered depression before for years. I was even sent for a mental assesment at one stage and had to sit in a room of shrinks and talk to them.I thought they were going to take me away in a jacket. Some of the things I was doing at that stage in my life I am ashamed of and never want to repeat. My close friends and family stood by me, even though I was being a complete and utter tosser. Yes I did consider what Speed has done, for a split second at one stage, because I wanted out....And if I had done it, it would have been a very cowardly act on my part...Now three/ four years on, I still have bad days but life is on the up and getting better all the time....Suicide is a cop out and a cowardly act and that's my view, some who has stared it in the face and decided to tough it out, instead of copping out.

 

[ATFC Seagull]

Aside from the shocking opinions on suicide, I think a lot of people here are missing the point spectacularly. Speed was a prominent member of the football community, and it is that community paying its respect, not particular clubs. It could be more about the players than the fans. I can't be bothered to look through the teams from yesterday but I'd be suprised if there wasn't someone (playing or coaching) who worked with Speed at some stage. Don't forget that if this had happened 2 weeks earlier, we would have had one of his best friends (Steve Harper) in our starting lineup.

 

[robinsonsgrin]

blown away by the suicide, deeply heartened by the way the footballing community has pulled together and forgotten their rivalries over this....know someone who used to play with him at one of his clubs....long discussions about why etc.. but....i believe that the endless silence and applause now needs to come to the end. if every club team has participated either home or away, then respect has been shown. as it rightly should have. the silence/applause wasnt to congratulate the suicide - it was a thank you for the memories and the way he conducted himself in the world of football. far too many judgemental people on here.