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[News] Reparations



bluenitsuj

Listen to me!!!
Feb 26, 2011
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Still waiting my money from Italy for what the Romans done to my ancestors
 




fly high

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Aug 25, 2011
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in a house
Maybe if some of the nations concerned got a better deal in world trade this might not come up as an issue. When I was a student I was friends with someone from Malawi who was studying something like forrestry. Most of the wood used in baseball bats (or something like that) at that time came from Milawi but they could only export raw material rather than finished bats because of tariffs. The USA wanted to keep the added value. It also stopped us and France subsidising former colonies in the Carribean as that breached WTO rules. Now most bananas come from South America.
Not so long ago St Vincent had a massive volcanic eruption, We sent naval ship to help evacuate people at risk & wanted to use our overseas aid to help rebuilt communities. Seem to recall we were told we couldn't as it contravened some treaty or other.
 




jcdenton08

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Oct 17, 2008
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Popped him, and therefore this thread, on ignore now. Gave him the benefit of the doubt before as I thought maybe he was drunk, or having a mental health crisis.

Now it’s clear he’s just trolling for the sake of it, it’s not worth the effort.

I suggest you all do the same. Boring.
 


Pavilionaire

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Jul 7, 2003
31,192
So let me get this right. Leaders from across the globe fly in to a small island in the Pacific to meet King Charles, Head of the Commonwealth, to suggest country of said King pay money for something that ended some 217 years ago with the Abolition of The Slave Trade Act.

Yet these 55 member are happy to continue to be members of the Commonwealth, presumably because there are ongoing benefits.

Presumably, once we've paid these reparations we'll then be sued for our part in global warming when half these colonies are flooded due to rising sea levels or dried up through temperature rises.

The emotional part of my brain thinks it's good that more than a quarter of the countries in the world belong to a benevolent global organisation, but the logical part of my brain thinks the Commonwealth is - like Jacob Rees-Mogg - an historical anachronism, which really should have ended after WW2, and certainly straight after Suez.
 




Wardy's twin

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Oct 21, 2014
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So let me get this right. Leaders from across the globe fly in to a small island in the Pacific to meet King Charles, Head of the Commonwealth, to suggest country of said King pay money for something that ended some 217 years ago with the Abolition of The Slave Trade Act.

Yet these 55 member are happy to continue to be members of the Commonwealth, presumably because there are ongoing benefits.

Presumably, once we've paid these reparations we'll then be sued for our part in global warming when half these colonies are flooded due to rising sea levels or dried up through temperature rises.

The emotional part of my brain thinks it's good that more than a quarter of the countries in the world belong to a benevolent global organisation, but the logical part of my brain thinks the Commonwealth is - like Jacob Rees-Mogg - an historical anachronism, which really should have ended after WW2, and certainly straight after Suez.
Any sort of union of people of disparate views which provides a platform for them to speak has to be a good thing IMO. Does it do anything tremendously tangible , not sure but for that matter no does the UN.
 


worthingseagull123

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May 5, 2012
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Glad the issue of reparations is being discussed again at the Commonwealth summit. I want Britain to formally apologise for it's part in the slave trade and reach agreement with the colonised countries for reparation payments


How much of YOUR money are you willing to give?
 


Wardy's twin

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Oct 21, 2014
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This whole idea that Britain was the major slave trading nation in history is just such nonsense, yes we played a part in it but also were victims of it for many years.

What the debate also misses is that for most British people the reality of life was not dissimilar , sure people weren't being bought and sold as such ( though indentured labour was not far off slavery in some case) but poor people's lives meant little and they had little control of their 'freedom' and this was especially true of the Irish and the highland scots.

Can we just put this whole inaccurate idea to bed.
 




Randy McNob

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Jun 13, 2020
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How much of YOUR money are you willing to give?
I support the foreign aid budget and would welcome anything which helps support and develop other nations, especially lifting people out of poverty.
I'm also glad our politicians we can actually have grown up conversations about reaching out and helping those less privelegded in other countries whereas under the previous government it was about sending people off to Rwanda.

I'd rather my money was spent doing good like this than wasted on gimicks like Rwanda
 




dsr-burnley

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Aug 15, 2014
2,564
Still waiting my money from Italy for what the Romans done to my ancestors
Unless you're Welsh or Cornish, you won't get much. Most of our ancestors were Angles, Saxons, and Vikings, and they were post-Roman.

On the other hand, the Welsh especially are quids in. They can collect from Italy for the Romans, from Germany for the Anglo-Saxons, from Norway and Denmark for the Vikings, from France for the Normans, and from England for every chip they carry on their shoulders for the last thousand years.

My brother moved to Anglesey and learned to speak Welsh. I'll tell him to get his claim in.
 




worthingseagull123

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May 5, 2012
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I support the foreign aid budget and would welcome anything which helps support and develop other nations, especially lifting people out of poverty.
I'm also glad our politicians we can actually have grown up conversations about reaching out and helping those less privelegded in other countries whereas under the previous government it was about sending people off to Rwanda.

I'd rather my money was spent doing good like this than wasted on gimicks like Rwanda

Much of the foreign aid budget has gone to cover those who are seeking asylum in the UK.


Of the reperations argument, how much do you want to give of your money? How much extra tax are you willing to pay?
 




Sorrel

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Jul 5, 2003
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Back in East Sussex
The concept is supported by those who think it's a helpful way to label a request to help get material gains for nothing. Debt-forgiveness/help schemes already exist (see: https://www.imf.org/en/About/Factsh...avily-indebted-poor-countries-initiative-HIPC). I wouldn't have a problem with labelling some of the existing schemes as "historical debt relief reparations" if that would make them happy.

But whatever happens it won't be enough for some who can see more free-money ahead of them: so whatever is agreed there are bound to be calls for more. Really the people we ought to compensate are the Carib natives, but they have passed beyond help.
 






carlzeiss

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May 19, 2009
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Amazonia
And of course ships of pirates from North Africa also raided the British Isles coasts between the 16th and 18th centuries and took many thousand of people as slaves .

Who would we claim reparations for these activities from I wonder ?

 


Kinky Gerbil

Im The Scatman
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Jul 16, 2003
58,715
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From the BBC

Maybe they are right, maybe it's time for a truthful conversation about it? Problem is those countries won't like the truth.


Commonwealth leaders have agreed the "time has come" for a conversation about reparations for the slave trade, despite the UK's desire to keep the subject off the agenda at a two-day summit in Samoa.
A document signed by 56 heads of government, including UK Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer, acknowledges calls for "discussions on reparatory justice" for the "abhorrent" transatlantic slave trade.
The statement says it is time for a "meaningful, truthful and respectful conversation".
 


Randy McNob

> > > > > > Cardiff > > > > >
Jun 13, 2020
4,714
Much of the foreign aid budget has gone to cover those who are seeking asylum in the UK.


Of the reperations argument, how much do you want to give of your money? How much extra tax are you willing to pay?
100bn per year until paid.

Reverse Brexit, go back to where we were prior to June 2016 and instead of spaffing 4% of GDP up the wall - spend it on reparations
 








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