Renewing players contracts.

[Mendoza]

I would Keep

Adam El-Abd
Michel Kuipers
Sam Rents
Tommy Fraser
Scott Chamberlain
John Sullivan
Sonny Cobbs

and on short term deals (under 6months)

Kerry Mayo - incase we dont sign richards
Adam Hinshelwood - prove his fitness
Gary Hart - could do a job in patches, but not last a season
Guy Butters - as above
Paul Reid - prove his fitness
Wes Fogden - prove his fitness


And Lose

Lloyd Skinner - too lightweight, gets pushed off the ball too easily at ressies level
Sam Gargan - as above
Doug Loft - shines in the reserves more often than not, but never makes it when given a chance
Chris Winterton - too far down the pecking order to ever play in goal for the Albion in next 3 years, so why keep him
Shane Mcfaul - Cant judge, but if he cant get in the squad now, will he ever?

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

Just out of interest, have you seen a lot of Cobbs, Winterton and Sullivan in Turkey?

No.... can only go on what's said here but based also on Wilkins attitude to them seems to be... after all he's making the decision.

The one game I saw... Northampton, Sullivan looked ok in practice

 

[Silent Bob]

Elphick signed a new contract ages ago.

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

And on what basis do you conclude that Wilkins WON'T risk Sullivan. We would only find that out of he actually was in a position where he had to make that choice.

Correct me if I'm wrong but he could have used Sullivan in JPTs or early round of FA Cup if he wanted and didn't.... also, was happy to leave him off the bench altogether... doesn't sound like he's seen as competition to Kuipers

 

[hans kraay fan club]

No.... can only go on what's said here but based also on Wilkins attitude to them seems to be... after all he's making the decision.

The one game I saw... Northampton, Sullivan looked ok in practice

Going by what's written on here is never wise.

I'm pretty sure that Wilkins attitude to Cobbs is very positive. He is very highly rated, and currently out on loan to gain senior experience.

Sullivan isn't the first choice keeper so isn't going to play. Its not like any other position where he'll get the odd chance filling in for other injured players, is it? Again, I think he's pretty highly rated, just not first choice. The club kept him in preference to Martin who is now at Man City.

Winterton is basically the youth team keeper. Seems a little early to write him off, having never seen him play.

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

Going by what's written on here is never wise.

I'm pretty sure that Wilkins attitude to Cobbs is very positive. He is very highly rated, and currently out on loan to gain senior experience.

Sullivan isn't the first choice keeper so isn't going to play. Its not like any other position where he'll get the odd chance filling in for other injured players, is it? Again, I think he's pretty highly rated, just not first choice. The club kept him in preference to Martin who is now at Man City.

Winterton is basically the youth team keeper. Seems a little early to write him off, having never seen him play.

With the exception of Sullivan I stand corrected..... after all it's only an opinion and I would be horrified if anyone acted on my suggestions or anyone's on NSC....

but Sullivan I can't agree. If Kuipers is injured then Wilkins must have the confidence to play him and needs to keep No1 on his toes. I have seen no competition this year for that position and if Wilkins had wanted Sullivan to provide competition he would have known that Sullivan would need occasional match experience, even if it was Paint Pot. That hasn't happened.

My overriding reasoning is that I don't think Kuipers can be relied on if we go up and needs competition so we need a challneging keeper. If Wilkins doesn't have the confidence to play Sullivan in the paint pot then why keep him?

 

[Yorkie]

Shane Mcfaul - Cant judge, but if he cant get in the squad now, will he ever?

I watched him last night in the reserves match (4-1 against Orient) and thought he did a lot better than other matches I'd seen. He is either settling down or responding to coaching but there are some promising signs.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

I agree that he should have played in the Paint Pot, but that doesn't mean he's rubbish - just that Wilkins, rightly or wrongly was trying to win it rather than use it to give squad players experience.

You can't hold the fact that Wilkins left him off the bench against him either - if we choose not to have a sub keeper, its completely irrelevant who the prospective keeper was, or how good they are.

If Chelsea went into a match without a sub keeper, it would be because they wanted to fill the bench with outfield players, not because the manager had 'no faith' in Cudicini.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Not sure why you would get rid of Winterton?

You need Three Keepers on the books and getting rid of him means bringing in another keeper

 

[house your seagull]

I agree that he should have played in the Paint Pot, but that doesn't mean he's rubbish - just that Wilkins, rightly or wrongly was trying to win it rather than use it to give squad players experience.

You can't hold the fact that Wilkins left him off the bench against him either - if we choose not to have a sub keeper, its completely irrelevant who the prospective keeper was, or how good they are.

If Chelsea went into a match without a sub keeper, it would be because they wanted to fill the bench with outfield players, not because the manager had 'no faith' in Cudicini.

i have found your tone on this thread quite aggressive.

where's the love?

 

[Caveman]

My overriding reasoning is that I don't think Kuipers can be relied on if we go up and needs competition so we need a challneging keeper. If Wilkins doesn't have the confidence to play Sullivan in the paint pot then why keep him?

This is potential head scratching time, if we go up then you need some experience, but is the experience we have past it? This is part of my thinking when I say get to the play off final and lose! Our squad would need some serious bolstering if we went up. If we stay in league 1 we probably could keep a few of the older pros on short contracts.

Wilkins knows what he is doing and I am sure that there will be a fair few comings and goings in the summer and with the new stadium on the horizon, I can only see good times ahead under Wilkins next season. :yahoo:

 

[hans kraay fan club]

You've no idea what any of those players are paid, or what they might be prepared to accept for a future deal.

I've no argument with that at all, just pointing out that people on here like to speculate about players' wages with NO knowledge of the figures involved.

As for players being on big salaries purely based on time served - it doesn't always work like that.

I believe Kuipers took a big cut to secure an additional year?

Just out of interest, have you seen a lot of Cobbs, Winterton and Sullivan in Turkey?

And on what basis do you conclude that Wilkins WON'T risk Sullivan. We would only find that out of he actually was in a position where he had to make that choice.

Going by what's written on here is never wise.

I'm pretty sure that Wilkins attitude to Cobbs is very positive. He is very highly rated, and currently out on loan to gain senior experience.

Sullivan isn't the first choice keeper so isn't going to play. Its not like any other position where he'll get the odd chance filling in for other injured players, is it? Again, I think he's pretty highly rated, just not first choice. The club kept him in preference to Martin who is now at Man City.

Winterton is basically the youth team keeper. Seems a little early to write him off, having never seen him play.

I agree that he should have played in the Paint Pot, but that doesn't mean he's rubbish - just that Wilkins, rightly or wrongly was trying to win it rather than use it to give squad players experience.

You can't hold the fact that Wilkins left him off the bench against him either - if we choose not to have a sub keeper, its completely irrelevant who the prospective keeper was, or how good they are.

If Chelsea went into a match without a sub keeper, it would be because they wanted to fill the bench with outfield players, not because the manager had 'no faith' in Cudicini.

i have found your tone on this thread quite aggressive.

where's the love?

Really? You must be a really sensitive little flower!


Actually reading back through them all, I would say my tone is 'defensive' rather than agressive.
I find threads like this pretty uncomfortable, tbh. These are people's careers and livelihoods that are so flippantly and lightly discarded, often by posters who have never even seen the players involved perform.

 

[Caveman]

Really? You must be a really sensitive little flower!

Actually reading back through them all, I would say my tone is 'defensive' rather than agressive.
I find threads like this pretty uncomfortable, tbh. These are people's careers and livelihoods that are so flippantly and lightly discarded, often by posters who have never even seen the players involved perform.

Firstly, anyone who pulls on a blue and white shirt at 3pm gets my backing!

You could argue we pay the wages by going, so are entitled to at least discuss who we would like to stay and who we think isn't upto it?

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Firstly, anyone who pulls on a blue and white shirt at 3pm gets my backing!

You could argue we pay the wages by going, so are entitled to at least discuss who we would like to stay and who we think isn't upto it?

Of course you are entitled to discuss it, I personally find some of the comments a bit OTT, and others hugely ill-informed.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

If however their was an internet forum where CUSTOMERS of your company posted on a whim about whether or not YOU should keep your job, how comfortable would you be with that?

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

Really? You must be a really sensitive little flower!


Actually reading back through them all, I would say my tone is 'defensive' rather than agressive.
I find threads like this pretty uncomfortable, tbh. These are people's careers and livelihoods that are so flippantly and lightly discarded, often by posters who have never even seen the players involved perform.

Oh come on HK! We have absolutely no effect (I hopoe) on the club. We are only expressing opinions. By any light noone... not even you has the right to make the decison because none of us see them in training and very few of us go to every game and every reserve an youth game.

I was surprised by your response (defensive or agressive?) as I am not making any strong comments. Part of why we disagree is we have a different concept of what a second keeper should be. So what? NO worries.

This is a fans forum ONLY and I would seriously question the club's sanity if they took a blind bit of notice over our subjective and very ill-informed opinions.

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

If however their was an internet forum where CUSTOMERS of your company posted on a whim about whether or not YOU should keep your job, how comfortable would you be with that?

I hesitate to say this but...... football is an entertainment industry... a company isn't and anyone in the entertainment industry must expect this sort of discussion......

How is it different from a forum discussing whether Brittany is going to commit suicide or not?... and what about all the girlie discussions that you get involved in....how is that any better?

 

[BigGully]

Elphick signed a new contract ages ago.

In that case its likely to be coming to an end !!!!

 

[The Large One]

Tommy Elphick was one of the ten youth team players awarded contracts. He got a two-year deal in 2006. I can't find on the website whether that has since been renewed or extended.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Shane Mcfaul - hasn't he got longer deal as new player?

Offer new deals to:

Adam El-Abd
Michel Kuipers
Sam Rents
Tommy Fraser

Short-term deals to prove fitness:

Adam Hinshelwood
Paul Reid

Release:

John Sullivan
Kerry Mayo
Gary Hart
Guy Butters
Doug Loft


Jury's out/ don't know:

Scott Chamberlain
Sonny Cobbs
Wes Fogden
Lloyd Skinner
Sam Gargan
Chris Winterton