[Football] Reasonable punishment for the "Legacy Six" ?

[GT49er]

The rumours, this morning, are that UEFA offered money to the 6 to withdraw from the ESL. Mundo Deportivo.

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Sick - and sickening - if true.

 

[jcdenton08]

The only amusing thing about this is I can't think of another single set of circumstances that would make football fans actually support and agree with UEFA...

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Absolutely any punishment meted out to the club will hurt the fans. I can't see a way around that really. The instinct is to punish the individual owners, but there is no way to do that as they've broken no laws etc. You could put pressure on the UK gov to ban them from the country etc, but again I'm not sure there are grounds for it. The only thing is to punish the clubs. But as others have pointed out, this is the worst time to do it as they are hugely suffering financially.

The reality is that none of these six clubs will go bust. If they lose out on Europe money this year and likely next year if they get a decent points deduction, then they will have to refinance or realign their priorities and act accordingly. For most that will really just mean more debt ?

Thing about punishing the fans is to believe they will be deeply hurt they can't watch their team, paid for by discredited moneymen, win everything on offer. These fans haven't suffered in the slightest in their respective lifetimes. Even City fans didn't "suffer" when their side fell into the third tier. They have never seen their club torn apart, faced going bust or seen their ground disappear.

Some might have had a rude awakening that to win everything and to only care about the next multimillion transfer is in fact the death nail for football.

If they really want football to survive they'd support a massive punishment for their teams and accept that they may not sit at the pinnacle of the football world for a period.

The 14 other clubs of the EPL need to take the lead now and impose their wishes on the 6. make them sit on the naughty step and repent.

 

[vagabond]

NO ...NO....NO.....all of the Greedy Six are equally culpable. THEY ALL SIGNED ON THE DOTTED LINE FOR THIS. Pulling out of this quickly earns no brownie points whatsoever. All the representatives of the clubs involved are guilty as charged and no single fan of any of those clubs should sleep peacefully until each and every one of these regimes has changed. That includes Abramovich, the City Arabs, Levy, Kroenke, Henry and the Glazers. None of those can ever talk to the other 14 PL owners, ever again. They have sat round the same table as the other 14 and lied and deceived, for some considerable time. TV last night, showing Bruce Buck on the phone at Stamford Bridge, smiling, was sickening. Get rid....NOW.
The non-greedy have to be united and stand firm against this scum. Refuse to deal with them. Pass their own proposals. Do not attend matches against these six clubs. They have been exposed. They have been flushed out. Their true colours have been shown. They have to be chased out of this country, like rats down a street. I don't care what the likes of Abramovich have done in the past. It doesn't count anymore. Chelsea fans cannot move forward with him and Buck in charge.
This is our chance. The fans chance. They have demonstrated that they don't care about us, so we now need to demonstrate that we are coming after them. No fines. Two seasons out of Europe is a solid start. Minus 12 points each in the 21/22 PL season. 12-24 month transfer embargo.
Lets be honest...Chelsea and City acted last night because they had already had the heads up that they were being replaced in this season's CL Semi's. Same with Arsenal and United in the Europa League. UEFA meant business. No managers or fans are to blame. They were equally kept in the dark. How can Klopp, Guardiola, Ole, Arteta and Tuchel move forward and have absolute confidence in their bosses? Mourinho found out, didn't like and was sacked. Thats how committed Levy was to this. He was prepared to sack his manager 5 days before a Cup Final.
The game is nothing without fans, players and managers and these few, wealthy, arrogant and greedy owners thought they could do this without any consultation. Well, they are finished now and good riddance to them.

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[Half Time Pies]

Never going to happen and even if it did it would be watered down in the courts to such as level as to make it meaningless.

Look at whats happened with financial fair play, does anyone really think that the Premier League and/ or UEFA have the stomach or resources for a legal fight with some of the wealthiest people in the world?!

 

[HastingsSeagull]

1 year CL ban for Chelsea and Citeh, 2 or 3 for the ringleaders. Zero fine or points.

Write it into the constitution that anything like this happens again without first being agreed by 14 clubs and it will be a 20 year ban from Euro Qualifying and 200 million fine of future TV shared revenue each minimum. Plus potential points deductions.

 

[Yoda]

It's a difficult one and it'll need to be something that will hit the owners really, and not the club, players or fans

 

[Seasider78]

It's a difficult one and it'll need to be something that will hit the owners really, and not the club, players or fans

There are a lot of calls for this on Twitter but how do you punish them without hurting the clubs, players or fans? As others have pointed out in response Bury players and fans were punished for their owners actions, so were any clubs entering administration and of course all English clubs were banned following Liverpool’s actions in Europe.

There are too many voices amongst these clubs fan bases who were angry yesterday but after a pathetic club statement and video apology are now defending their clubs right to be in PL and Europe without punishment.

The clubs need a punishment and a deterrent and whilst fans may not like it that frustration should be taken out on their owners.

 

[clapham_gull]

There are a lot of calls for this on Twitter but how do you punish them without hurting the clubs, players or fans? .

You don't, just as the numerous clubs who have broken the rules have found out.

Where the "legacy six" fans when other clubs were being docked points for going into administration ?

 

[Yoda]

There are a lot of calls for this on Twitter but how do you punish them without hurting the clubs, players or fans? As others have pointed out in response Bury players and fans were punished for their owners actions, so were any clubs entering administration and of course all English clubs were banned following Liverpool’s actions in Europe.

There are too many voices amongst these clubs fan bases who were angry yesterday but after a pathetic club statement and video apology are now defending their clubs right to be in PL and Europe without punishment.

The clubs need a punishment and a deterrent and whilst fans may not like it that frustration should be taken out on their owners.

Suddenly find all the chairmen "unfit" & force them to sell?

 

[PaoloAlbioni]

Relegation to the Combined Counties League, and let them work their way back over the next 9 seasons.

This.
Or at least to the Conference.

 

[London Irish]

There won't be any punishment but if I'd had my way I'd shove em all in the Conference

 

[Klaas]

Make them play in their pants.

 

[SAC]

Any punishment hurts the fans, there is no way to avoid this. Perhaps it will then make more fans protest against their owners.

However it is understandably very difficult for fans to have a voice when most owners are pumping in millions each season to keep the club afloat and competitive.

 

[wardy wonder land]

Thing about punishing the fans is to believe they will be deeply hurt they can't watch their team, paid for by discredited moneymen, win everything on offer. These fans haven't suffered in the slightest in their respective lifetimes. Even City fans didn't "suffer" when their side fell into the third tier. They have never seen their club torn apart, faced going bust or seen their ground disappear.

Some might have had a rude awakening that to win everything and to only care about the next multimillion transfer is in fact the death nail for football.

If they really want football to survive they'd support a massive punishment for their teams and accept that they may not sit at the pinnacle of the football world for a period.

The 14 other clubs of the EPL need to take the lead now and impose their wishes on the 6. make them sit on the naughty step and repent.

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do rangers love thier club any less now ? and has the journey back for them made the current success sweeter ?

 

[Braggfan]

Although I'd be okay with fines- to be sent down to the bottom of the pyramid.

That is a brilliant shout. If they really are apologetic for damaging football's integrity then they can make amends by helping clubs lower down the pyramid. In fact even if that itsn't a punishment that gets dished out, then if the really want people to think their apology is sincere then they should be doing it off their own back.

 

[zefarelly]

Big wads from fines heading down the pyramid and relegation 2 divisions, or three, it'd do wonders for gate receipts accross the board for all league clubs.

 

[stewart12]

I'd absolutely throw the book at them but I think a REASONABLE punishment would be

-all 6 banned from europe for next 2 seasons. European spots are allocated as though they're not there. This evens the playing field and gives others the CL/EL money

-Transfer ban for 2 seasons

-Fine each club the equivalent of one seasons Champions League money and distribute it to the teams that don't qualify for europe as a result of the 6 not being eligible

-No prize money for final league position for 2 seasons. Everyone else received prize money as though they're not there (for example we'd receive prize money for a position 6 places higher than where we finish)


Given that all of this was a ploy to create an uneven playing field- this punishment would go some way to evening it out

 

[FatSuperman]

That is a brilliant shout. If they really are apologetic for damaging football's integrity then they can make amends by helping clubs lower down the pyramid. In fact even if that itsn't a punishment that gets dished out, then if the really want people to think their apology is sincere then they should be doing it off their own back.

It would be hilarious, especially for the fact it would take so long for them to all get back to the top table. Assuming they somehow got added into the national league, and six teams throughout the pyramid were promote up a tier, then it would take three years for all six clubs to get into the football league. So that's six years minimum before they are all back in the Prem. Will be especially interesting to see Rooney smashing them in against Man United. John Rooney of Stockport County, that is.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

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