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[Football] Reading Fans Not Happy !



Midget

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Aug 16, 2015
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I'm not one for jumping on protest bandwagons without some consideration. I hate when entitled fans protest because of poor results, not buying the best players, being less successful than they once were, Glazers out etc.

I don't pretend to know all the background here and I'm sure someone will set me right, but my feelings on this are complex. So I've set my thinking out in case it helps others who are also struggling.

It's f*cking long-winded though so scroll past if you want (sorry for not saying this earlier).


As I understand it, I don't think their owner bought the club intending to asset strip for profit as some others have. He put a ton of money into their academy set up, shelled out on new players etc. which I think the fans were happy with at first (a case of 'be careful what you wish for'). They spent above their means, gambling that they'd get promotion which would cover the outlay - when they didn't, it left them saddled with an unsustainable wage bill, other debts and FFP issues.

It's what the rules were brought in to try and avoid. If they had succeeded it would have been unfair on other clubs going for promotion, the same way we feel certain EPL clubs have unfairly bought in their success (or in Chelsea's case, lack of) rather than growing organically. And of course points deductions exacerbated their problems, but they were imposed according to the rules other clubs were abiding by, and are there as a deterrent to this exact situation.

So the initial gamble didn't pay off, but rather than get their house in order it was then followed up by more financial mismanagement / naiveté / incompetence which led to more points deductions and more debt. Like someone with a gambling addiction chasing their losses.

This is why I was a bit conflicted at first I suppose. I hate all the crap, greed and unfairness in modern football, and I believe it's right that it should be confronted and dealt with. If that results in a club being less successful, so be it.

THAT SAID

I have nothing but empathy for the fans. It is possible, and important, to see the club and its fans as separate entities. Whatever the reasons for their problems, they're not of the fans' making. It never is.

And when it becomes a downward financial spiral where some costs are being covered by not paying backroom wages, not paying the taxman (never ends well), making redundancies, with an owner who seems unwilling or unable to bring them back onto a sustainable footing, then the club itself is at risk. Whatever the reasons, imagine (or, for many on here, remember) how devastating it would be to face that as a fan, to face actually losing your club.

Going back to the earlier analogy, you can disapprove of someone's gambling but that doesn't mean you'll be happy watching their life fall apart as a result of it - and even less so the lives of those who depend on them. I can't understand anyone who feels schadenfreude or hubris in this.

I do believe FFP was meant with all good intent to protect fans from situations like this, but it can't completely prevent it - and if clubs ignore it and take the hit, it will still be the fans who suffer. FFP adds to the risk side when weighing up approach, but while the rewards for success are so great financially, there will still be some owners / management who think it's worth it.

I still wince in transfer windows when I see people asking why we're not spending the money from Caicedo on a big name, or suggesting players on stupid wages like Henderson (ffs). While, yes, I'm having the ride of my life at the moment, I'd still rather be sustainable, boring and back getting rained on in league 2, than spunk it all trying to win everything, at the risk of losing Everything.

We are so lucky a) to have incredible fans who fought and fought for our survival, b) to then have first Dick Knight, now Tony Bloom, as owners, and Barber as CEO, and c) to have the history, however difficult at the time, that hopefully steers us and our owners and management away from making mistakes like these in future. Others are not so lucky.

SO.

I have no love for Reading as an entity, as a competitor who took a risk that didn't pay off, who tried to gain an unfair advantage and were punished (if my reading of that situation is right).

But I have a connection with every real football fan whoever they support (yes even Palace), because they have an irrational, insatiable and irreplaceable love for their club, as I do for mine. No-one deserves to lose that in their life.

They are clearly suffering from some terrible, ongoing financial mismanagement which goes beyond just bad results and points deductions. So if a) above is where Reading fans are right now, I'm with them. Good luck to them in their fight and I will support in whatever small way I can, as with other clubs' campaigns in the past (*not Man Utd), and as others did for us when we needed them.

Never forget how close we came.
Never wish that on others.
Never forget those who helped us.
Never take for granted how fortunate we are.
Never lose sight of what really matters.

If NSC do something as a group, please count me in.




(And apols if you feel like you've just read the Sunday papers, I appear to have been on one of my long NSC rambles again... I did warn you)
 






Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Harsh. Yes, some Reading fans may have laughed at our predicament, but are you saying with certainty that no Reading fans were involved in Fans United? The owners buy players…

These are fans who are trying to save their club through direct action: we should have empathy with that imo.
There were two Reading fans alongside Brighton fans at Selhurst Park, on Falmer Day when we were collecting signatures for John Prescott before the first of the two public inquiries.
 


Guinness Boy

Tofu eating wokerati
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Jul 23, 2003
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Now to read what @Guinness Boy posted and find I've got it all wrong :lolol:
I’m no Reading expert but there’s a lot of this stuff on Twitter and I’ve seen other posts on there saying the owner has a separate company that owns the ground.

If that’s true - IF - then they seem to be in a similar pickle to us back in the day.

I’m sure the DULLARD will know, eh @El Presidente ?
 


jackanada

Well-known member
Jul 19, 2011
3,523
Brighton
I would like to admit that up until a few days I only paid scant attention to stories about Reading.
So it's been a real surprise to learn they don't have a dodgy Welsh owner called Dai Young.
 




El Presidente

The ONLY Gay in Brighton
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Jul 5, 2003
40,040
Pattknull med Haksprut
I’m no Reading expert but there’s a lot of this stuff on Twitter and I’ve seen other posts on there saying the owner has a separate company that owns the ground.

If that’s true - IF - then they seem to be in a similar pickle to us back in the day.

I’m sure the DULLARD will know, eh @El Presidente ?
That is correct. The stadium was sold to Rehne Sports Management Ltd in 2018
 


Lenny Rider

Well-known member
Sep 15, 2010
6,091
Given the fact that they didn’t do the crossbars, schoolboy error there Gents, why didn’t they clear the stadium and play the other 70 mins behind closed doors?

(Apologies if they did that 😂)
 






Simster

"the man's an arse"
Jul 7, 2003
55,021
Surrey
Fair play to them.

I think the perfect scenario is they kick out the owner, secure the future of the club AND get relegated to league two and spend several years there. That way we all win.
Exactly where I'm at. I can't really argue with their off field fight and the fact it has inconvenienced a few fans travelling from north-Stoke, because we did exactly the same to York fans, and had right on our side. So a fire-sale to a local owner coupled ideally with a relegation to league two (where they can spend a few years with their chums at Swindon) would be fine by me.
 


ozzygull

Well-known member
Oct 6, 2003
4,192
Reading
I have ordered a banner and should be here before the Wolves game. It is 6ft by 2ft

As mentioned I am in WSU so it will not get much coverage if I display it up there, Would it possible to meet some one before the match, who is in the lower stands and who is also willng to hold it up for the TV camera?

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Eeyore

Colonel Hee-Haw of Queen's Park
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Apr 5, 2014
26,343
Remember the rock from which you were hewn.

Others came to help us, we should support them. This is a rotten situation for loyal fans of Reading.
 




Lenny Rider

Well-known member
Sep 15, 2010
6,091
What does John Madeski do for s***s and giggles now Cilla has passed on?

Can't he come back to save them?
 




ozzygull

Well-known member
Oct 6, 2003
4,192
Reading
What does John Madeski do for s***s and giggles now Cilla has passed on?

Can't he come back to save them?
I don't think there is an issue with people buying Reading, the issue is getting the current incumbent to sell it.

He has allowed his other two clubs, Belgian team KSV Roeselare and a Chinese Super League team Beijing Chengfeng to disolve after relegations. KSV Roeselare was a 102 year club and in the top flight of Belgium football befor Dai Yongge got involved. Unless they get this guy out they are *ucked bassically
 


Justice

Dangerous Idiot
Jun 21, 2012
21,134
Born In Shoreham
Heard the owners have sold a player to Luton without letting the manager or the DOF know anything about it. Really bad situation for the loyal fans of Reading.
Sounds like the transfer fee isn’t going anywhere near the football club.
 




ozzygull

Well-known member
Oct 6, 2003
4,192
Reading
Heard the owners have sold a player to Luton without letting the manager or the DOF know anything about it. Really bad situation for the loyal fans of Reading.
Sounds like the transfer fee isn’t going anywhere near the football club.
Yep he is stripping the club of every available asset.
 




Kinky Gerbil

Im The Scatman
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Jul 16, 2003
58,809
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Hope they get saved, of course. No club should go bust

But haven't they just done a Leeds? Massively overspent to try and get to the PL

The owner has put in over 200 million into the club

What the fans care about over spending if the gamble paid off?
 




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