Radar Speed Cameras

[Deleted member 2719]

45 cases of public disorder and weapons; I imagine few were guns and/or knives. And I'm pretty certain Hove is not a hot bed for peadophilia so my original point holds.

My policy with trusting people with our kids is 'trust nobody and keep one eye on Dj's'.

 

[drew]

Edna are you sure, because if people really are more worried about dog shite etc, i really worry for our country these are all petty offences apart from speeding, but surely people who complain about speeding are talking about people who are genuinely being unaware of their surroundings and go FAR too quick.

My list would be paedophiles, gun and knife carriers, pikeys and anyone called Harry with a dog called Rosie.

I think the police shouldn't be taking note of these surveys as the sort of people who take part have nothing better to do than moan all day long.

So if you can have a word in there ear i for one would be grateful.

Have to agree with Herr Tubthumper here. You might walk out your front door and be immediately worried about murderers and paedos but the majority don't. Whether you like it or not, in leafy suburbia, most peopl noticed the things around them, dog shit and rubbish on the pavements, (that's not being derogatory about cyclists but I suppose they can be included if they are on the pavement. That doesn't mean that, we aren't aware serious crime exists, just that it doesn't affect the vast majority of people in their everyday lives.

Those figures are an urban legend and not necessarily true. I certainly wouldn't risk points on my license by relying on that to save me but by sticking to the limit.

Not so, my brother did a speed awareness course in Pompey and they advised that Hampshire police base it on 10% plus 3 whereas Sussex Police are 10% + 2 (or vice versa). Where you are of course right is that you would be foolish to drive above the limit based on this information.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

Have to agree with Herr Tubthumper here. You might walk out your front door and be immediately worried about murderers and paedos but the majority don't. Whether you like it or not, in leafy suburbia, most peopl noticed the things around them, dog shit and rubbish on the pavements, (that's not being derogatory about cyclists but I suppose they can be included if they are on the pavement. That doesn't mean that, we aren't aware serious crime exists, just that it doesn't affect the vast majority of people in their everyday lives.

I understand where your coming from but you can never under estimate who live around the corner, i was living just a few doors away from that evil bastard roy whiting in Littlehampton in the late 80's and never found out until hearing all about it in the papers years later. My brothers best mate used to be paper boy to Gary Glitter and look what happened with Glitter.

And to go back to the thread my best mate got killed probably by speeding, at an accident hotspot and still there are no Cameras trapping there they are just put in easy target places where no one has been injured.

Double standards and these speed awareness courses really try to convince they are there to save lives, Bolloxs if you ask me.

 

[drew]

I understand where your coming from but you can never under estimate who live around the corner, i was living just a few doors away from that evil bastard roy whiting in Littlehampton in the late 80's and never found out until hearing all about it in the papers years later. My brothers best mate used to be paper boy to Gary Glitter and look what happened with Glitter.

And to go back to the thread my best mate got killed probably by speeding, at an accident hotspot and still there are no Cameras trapping there they are just put in easy target places where no one has been injured.

Double standards and these speed awareness courses really try to convince they are there to save lives, Bolloxs if you ask me.

Fair enough but I think you're missing the point. Yes everyone doesn't know what their neighbours get up to until it's in the papers but are you saying as soon as you step over the threshold of your door you are in fear for your life. Of course everyone is fearful of a murderer but your don't spend the whole day bumping into pyschopaths. And from my perspective, my wifes best friend was murdered in London about 15 years ago but she doesn't leave the house under a fearful cloud.

As regards location of speed cameras, there are plenty at blackspots but not all. Personally I favour the mobile units because if you don't know where the cameras are you are less likely to speed. People don't only die at blackspots. I also agree about the speed awareness courses. They should be part of the penalty, ie points fine and satisfactory attendence at a course. This may soon change anyway as some insurers are starting to use them to load premiums as, to be fair, they are indicative of the mindset of a driver, although the Police aren't happy about this.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

I disagree, this is what the police want, a compliant and submissive populace who accept everything they say. Dangerous driving causes accidents, not someone driving slightly faster than a random speed limit set by some jobsworth in an office. If everyone who had been done for a few mph over the limit challenged the fine then the whole system would collapse and we would be better off for it. Imagine a road where everyone drove along looking at their speedometers instead of their surroundings - there would be carnage, but I suppose at least no-one would be done for speeding!

Speed limits are normally there for a reason and are considered to be the maximum safe speed for the road, presumably. Anyone who disregards them routinely is exhibiting an extreme arrogance and lack of judgement. You do a great deal more damage to something at 35mph than you do at 30mph. We had someone in our Police commissioner elections who was campaigning principally on the removal of all speed cameras. I wouldn't have voted for him in a million years, as my perception is that people drive a lot more carefully since speed cameras, which is a lot more good for everyone, including the environment

 

[Deleted member 18477]

They are along this road all the time. Someone at work got caught doing 35mph and got a ticket. To be fair, there are speed camera signs along there so you shouldn't be surprised!

This! There are speed camera signs FFS! Surely that should be enough without having to see a van as well. I thought if there were speed camera signs the van is allowed to hide anyway as they've technically already warned you.

 

[Uter]

This is nothing about being high and mighty about knocking over children etc as being what I consider to be a competent experienced driver I drive to the conditions of the road and weather and 1 or 2 mph isn't going to make a significant difference.

There are plenty of studies around that show the relationship between speed and the odds of killing a pedestrian. I suggest you have a look at this one: http://safety.transportation.org/htmlguides/peds/types_of_probs.htm

Look at graph III-4 about half way down. It doesn't take a genius to work out that a pedestrian hit at 32 mph instead of 30 mph is around 10% more likely to be killed.

If you think 1 or 2 mph isn't going to make much difference, think again. It could very well mean the difference between life and death if you are involved in a collision.

 

[BLOCK F]

Blimey,the righteous of NSC are out in force!

 

[Uter]

Blimey,the righteous of NSC are out in force!

I'm not being righteous or judgemental. If somebody wants to exceed the speed limit they can do so and will probably not be caught out, especially if it's marginal. But BG has made a comment that is not true, but is nevertheless probably a view shared by many.

If people have the true facts at their disposal then they are better placed to make an informed decision about how they choose to drive.

 

[Diego Napier]

Blimey,the righteous of NSC are out in force!

Yes but balanced out by the dimwits and bloodyminded.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

It might not be quite as crime free as you think.

5 Pd&w.......... Weapons in Oct.


UKCrimeStats.com - Central Hove



In September 2011, Other Crime was divided into 6 categories - Drugs, Public Disorder & Weapons (PD&W), Criminal Damage & Arson (CD&A), Theft - Shoplifting, Theft-Other and Other. In order to avoid confusion, UKCrimeStats has renamed the original "Other" category as "Other Total" which is the sum of these 6 and this is what is displayed from December 2010 to August 2011

....... Drugs PD&W CD&A shoplifting Other Theft Other Other Total
Oct 2012 0 5 7 14 19 2 47
Sep 2012 1 2 5 11 32 1 52
Aug 2012 4 2 5 12 29 3 55
Jul 2012 2 6 9 24 29 3 73
Jun 2012 0 2 12 8 29 2 53
May 2012 1 4 8 9 16 4 42
Apr 2012 0 1 9 7 12 6 35
Mar 2012 2 3 10 11 18 2 46
Feb 2012 2 7 6 9 15 2 41
Jan 2012 6 7 8 4 12 4 41
Dec 2011 0 1 5 11 13 3 33
Nov 2011 4 1 9 12 24 6 56
Oct 2011 2 4 11 13 17 7 54
Sep 2011 1 4 5 5 25 2 42

I need to go to the bank in a minute. I reckon I'm old enough to be of no interest to any neighbourhood peados but should I wear a stab vest or ask for an armed police escort?

 

[Norman Potting]

What you fail to grasp here, BG, apart from the fact that you're the one who's apparently broken the law here, not the police, is that the speed sites that are most frequently used are designated because they are the areas where people take the piss, and which receive the most complaints from residents about speeding motorists. I'll tell you for free that the road through Northlands Wood, being wide and quite a steep hill in places, is an absolute hotspot for it, people go tanking down there with great regularity. The residents, not unreasonably, get quite upset about this, seeing as it's designated as a 30mph limit with houses in all directions, shops, a playground area and (I think) a school not a million miles away. I'm also fairly sure that there has been at least one fatal accident on that stretch.

Because of media reporting, you could be forgiven for thinking that your average Joe sits at home worrying about being murdered, raped or burgled. Whereas when surveys are done asking people what causes them the most annoyance in their everyday lives, it's inevitably things like dog shit, graffiti, cyclists on the pavement, and speeding motorists. I'm confident you'd be the first to complain if drivers were hammering it down wherever it is you live. We go where the public have asked us to go. We don't have targets, or quotas, contrary to popular myth. If we had the time, there are many, many more sites where residents are begging us to check speeders: perhaps rather than feeling hard done by, you should consider yourself fortunate that you haven't been busted on any of the other roads you've exceeded the limit on.

Man up, take it on the chin and take a look at your speedo every now and again. Or, if you'd prefer to drive at your own chosen speed, feel free, just don't whine about it when you get caught.

Being fairly closely involved in such things via work I can only echo Edna's comments.

The Police don't have the resource to randomly set up speed traps just because they feel like it - it is in response to either a proven need through accidents at that location causing death or injury or local concerns regarding the fact that, despite signs being helpfully provided to let you know the maximum speed at which you can travel at that location, some people choose not to observe them.

 

[BLOCK F]

Yes but balanced out by the dimwits and bloodyminded.

Ha!There are always plenty of the former roaming the corridors of NSC!
As for the righteous,smug and easily 'offended or outraged';they tend to come and go!
Before you ask,I have a clean driving licence and maximum no claims bonus!Smug!!!

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Not so, my brother did a speed awareness course in Pompey and they advised that Hampshire police base it on 10% plus 3 whereas Sussex Police are 10% + 2 (or vice versa). Where you are of course right is that you would be foolish to drive above the limit based on this information.

Someone i worked with was done for driving at 76 mph on the A27 (speed limit of 70) a couple of years ago in Sussex which is less that the 10% without even adding any additional mileage allowances as suggested. He was caught by a mobile camera.

So i doubt the 10% + 2mph you quoted is correct.

 

[beorhthelm]

Someone i worked with was done for driving at 76 mph on the A27 (speed limit of 70) a couple of years ago in Sussex which is less that the 10% without even adding any additional mileage allowances as suggested. He was caught by a mobile camera.

So i doubt the 10% + 2mph you quoted is correct.

the 10%+2 is guidance, to avoid lots of cases of people claiming their speedo is incorrect. i'd wager that in poor road conditions they are stricter. ive the M25 gantry cameras appear to be very sensitive when ive been along there in the wet, but then a couple of cars tearing through at night and dry without a flash.

 

[drew]

Thought I would just bring this back to the top of the pile as at about 2.45, Northlands Ave was closed off by the top end of Beech Hill. At least two fire engines plus four or five police cars. Believe they had to take the roof of a car to get the occupant out but don't know how serious. Fingers crossed it's the car that took the brunt of it.

 

[rouseytastic]

My only 3 points ever came from this van. 36mph. Cheers!

 

[The Birdman]

I came around the bend in Northlands Rd Haywards Heath yesterday and believed may have been speeding slightly. When telling my son he said that if you can see the van it is too late as it will have clocked you. Apparently standing outside of the shops/doctors surgery it gets people as they come around the bend from the hospital. Is this not illegal as I thought they had to be in full view? Has this van with a camera in it ever been challenged?

I know people will say I shouldnt have been speeding but I am not sure if I was and if so it would have been very marginally over 30 but am interested in the principal.
Bad crash today at the top of Northlands Avenue that's why we have the speed cameras in This area?

 

[Lady Whistledown]

Wrong the school and playground are in BEECH HILL which is the road that is a turning 100yds either side of the shop and goes around in semi circle to run parallel Northlands wood Rd

Oh FFS I can't believe you're actually trying to argue the toss about the safe speed on that road on the basis that the school I mentioned are a whole HUNDRED YARDS away from the road. Do you think the children just magically arrive there each morning, and disappear home again in the afternoons, or might you consider that they often WALK to that school/playground, using the very road we're discussing? Or perhaps cycle. Either way, they are using that road, therefore to suggest that it's reasonable for you to choose your own speed in excess of the posted limit, simply because the school is slightly offset from the road itself, is splitting hairs in the extreme.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

Have to agree with Herr Tubthumper here. You might walk out your front door and be immediately worried about murderers and paedos but the majority don't. Whether you like it or not, in leafy suburbia, most peopl noticed the things around them, dog shit and rubbish on the pavements, (that's not being derogatory about cyclists but I suppose they can be included if they are on the pavement. That doesn't mean that, we aren't aware serious crime exists, just that it doesn't affect the vast majority of people in their everyday lives.

Thanks, yes I suppose the point I was trying to make is that, while murderers and paedophiles are the people that pop up in your worst nightmares, I was talking about the things that people actually get irritated about most in their day to day life. The great majority of people don't walk to the shops worried there might be an axe murderer around the corner, primarily because deep down, we all think things like that are the sort of stuff that happens to other people.

If we rationalise it, we could probably all work out that there are convicted sex offenders or violent criminals living in every town, but does it mean nobody lets their kids out? Our real fears and concerns are based on those things that physically impact on our lives on a fairly regular basis, hence it's the stuff I mentioned that really pisses people off (plus things like petty vandalism, keying cars, that sort of thing).

The odds on you being seriously injured in a road accident are far higher than your chances of being similarly injured as a result of a criminal assault.