Racist (?) ex-soldier jailed. your take on it.

[Falkor]

Do you think what the guy did at the mosque was worse , or likely to cause more hurt and upset than burning the poppies ? That is the question , if so, why ?

i think there both extremely offensive acts one was racial one was not, and racial crimes on this country are always dealt thing strongly.

As for the Poppy Burners there group are now seen a terrorist organisation and are banned from operating in this country.

He was also charged with two crimes, i think what he did was shocking and in a country that's already anti muslim in parts could have really caused agro

 

[FREDBINNEY]

i think there both extremely offensive acts one was racial one was not, and racial crimes on this country are always dealt thing strongly.

As for the Poppy Burners there group are now seen a terrorist organisation and are banned from operating in this country.

He was also charged with two crimes, i think what he did was shocking and in a country that's already anti muslim in parts could have really caused agro

i think most people take it as a given that they were both extremely offensive acts , what i asked was
" Do you think what the guy did at the mosque was worse , or likely to cause more hurt and upset than burning the poppies ? That is the question , if so, why ?"

 

[daveinprague]

Muslims are also not one colour or race , with many represented, including soldiers, I will also ask you, do you think what the guy at the mosque did was worse and likly to cause more hurt and upset than the poppy burners, bearing in mind poppies and what they represent mean a lot to the majority of this country.

What the poppy burners did... the people who belonged to a group of around 20 people in total, and the group has since been banned, was wrong... it was offensive to many, but not a criminal act....even so, some of them were fined, for behaviour likely to cause breach of the peace.
Racial and religious bigotry is an offence, and he suffered the consquences. He seems a bit of a clown to be honest, so i wont lose any sleep over his jailing.

A few idiots burning poppies didnt offend me particularly. Im ex military, my recently deceased step father was standard bearer for the British legion in Brighton, and my mother is also a member, and being 90 next october will still be selling poppies in November god willing. Neither of them were as upset as some people over this incident,which is remarkable. I think some people want to use this issue to justify their racism and bigotry.
Why are our military in muslim countries fighting with the local population anyway? Instilling democracy? Democracy is a two edged sword. It means people with other views can express them. That goes for the UK as well.

 

[Falkor]

i think most people take it as a given that they were both extremely offensive acts , what i asked was
" Do you think what the guy did at the mosque was worse , or likely to cause more hurt and upset than burning the poppies ? That is the question , if so, why ?"

Well yes its probably more effective on the Muslim community who already are on edge in this country there not all terrorist nutters like many would have you believe, we have a Mosque opening in Newhaven, myself i have no issue at all with it but i have heard a number of people are very anti the idea.

A big is seen as unclean and dirty, in spain in some areas that a mosque was to be built people where going and pouring pigs blood and burying pigs on the land so a mosque wont be built. Thats have offensive Muslim find it.

Myself with the poppy while i find it extremely offensive, but i also ignore it if you give these people paper space and news headlines they are winning, ignore them and they will soon go away.

I believe the poppy burner was let of lightly but custody i cant really see as an option for him, where as the other guy i can totally understand why he ended up in Jail.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Your kidding me .......

Freedom of Speech, should be exactly that, not with exclusions, think about what you have said.

With freedom of speech comes responsibility - the responsibility to use the freedom wisely and without inciting violence or hatred. If I came up to you in the street and called you a little pricked twat I'd expect you to hit me ? If you do hit me under those circumstances and using your model of "freedom of speech" then you would be preventing my freedom of speech.

We have freedom of choice, speech and action in this country but within prescribed and reasonable boundaries. If you seriously believe people should be able to do or say anything they like then you're a little pricked twat ( see exercising my freedom of speech ! ).

 

[FREDBINNEY]

What the poppy burners did... the people who belonged to a group of around 20 people in total, and the group has since been banned, was wrong... it was offensive to many, but not a criminal act....even so, some of them were fined, for behaviour likely to cause breach of the peace.
Racial and religious bigotry is an offence, and he suffered the consquences. He seems a bit of a clown to be honest, so i wont lose any sleep over his jailing.

A few idiots burning poppies didnt offend me particularly. Im ex military, my recently deceased step father was standard bearer for the British legion in Brighton, and my mother is also a member, and being 90 next october will still be selling poppies in November god willing. Neither of them were as upset as some people over this incident,which is remarkable. I think some people want to use this issue to justify their racism and bigotry.
Why are our military in muslim countries fighting with the local population anyway? Instilling democracy? Democracy is a two edged sword. It means people with other views can express them. That goes for the UK as well.

I expected this sort of mealy mouthed response from you, I know full well you're ex military, I also know you never tire of telling people about your much younger muslim girlfriend , a simple " no i dont think it's worse would have sufficed " minus the totally irrelevant diatribe about why our armed forces are in muslim countries, are you unaware that the poppy represents the dead and wounded of many different conflicts?

 

[daveinprague]

lol

Hit a nerve?

Really? thats what the poppy represents? Thanks for that...had no idea....where are our current conflicts?

 

[Mellotron]

But were not those burning The Poppy inciting racial hatred ?

I would say they were, yes. What's any of that got to do with "freedom of speech"?

 

[Mellotron]

good luck in getting him to answer that.

I just did. I think that poppy burning probably does fall under "inciting racial hatred".

 

[Mellotron]

Your kidding me .......

Freedom of Speech, should be exactly that, not with exclusions, think about what you have said.

Logically there HAS to be exclusions, otherwise you could shout in someone's face for 24-7, for the rest of their life. The exclusion there? Harrassment.

 

[NickBHAFC18]

I don't agree with what the ex soldier did and nor do I agree with the burning of the poppies from the extremists. But I think it's completely bang out of order when the people responsible for burning the poppies get away without punishment (£50 fine is ridiculous)

 

[daveinprague]

The poppy represents the fallen of many different races (and religions). No way does it represent racial hatred. What the poppy burners did was offensive, and they were punished as the law permits, ie behaviour likely to cause breach of the peace.

 

[FREDBINNEY]

Well yes its probably more effective on the Muslim community who already are on edge in this country there not all terrorist nutters like many would have you believe, we have a Mosque opening in Newhaven, myself i have no issue at all with it but i have heard a number of people are very anti the idea.

A big is seen as unclean and dirty, in spain in some areas that a mosque was to be built people where going and pouring pigs blood and burying pigs on the land so a mosque wont be built. Thats have offensive Muslim find it.

Myself with the poppy while i find it extremely offensive, but i also ignore it if you give these people paper space and news headlines they are winning, ignore them and they will soon go away.

I believe the poppy burner was let of lightly but custody i cant really see as an option for him, where as the other guy i can totally understand why he ended up in Jail.

The muslim community is on edge ? why ? last time i looked it was the " muslim community" that blew up buses and tube trains murdering fifty odd people in the process , it's incidents where people like yourself and daveinprague do your utmost to dismiss the poppy burners as " a group of nutters , not worth bothering about " when they caused gross offence to a majority of people in the country , and then go on to tell us how offensive pigs are to muslims and demand his jailing that gives the impression that you and quite clearly the judiciary operate double standards.

 

[Falkor]

The muslim community is on edge ? why ? last time i looked it was the " muslim community" that blew up buses and tube trains murdering fifty odd people in the process , it's incidents where people like yourself and daveinprague do your utmost to dismiss the poppy burners as " a group of nutters , not worth bothering about " when they caused gross offence to a majority of people in the country , and then go on to tell us how offensive pigs are to muslims and demand his jailing that gives the impression that you and quite clearly the judiciary operate double standards.

Yes all the muslims blew up trains and busses didnt they, it was the whole muslim community.

 

[daveinprague]

'At a Celtic v Aberdeen football match in November 2010, it was decided that both teams would play with poppies sewn to their shirts. This was in response to an appeal by Haig Fund Scotland. A group of Celtic supporters called the Green Brigade unfurled a large banner in protest. In a statement, it said: "Our group and many within the Celtic support do not recognise the British Armed Forces as heroes, nor their role in many conflicts as one worthy of our remembrance". It gave Operation Banner (Northern Ireland), the Afghanistan War and the Iraq War as examples'


How many were fined, and why is this not more offensive to you? Skin colour?\


as for the 'muslim community' blowing up buses and trains...fecking hell!!! We do have an EDL representative on the board after all.

btw, who here 'demanded his jailing'....a bit theatrical to be honest.

 

[redhill seagull 66]

since when was muslim/islam a race?

 

[FREDBINNEY]

lol

Hit a nerve?

Really? thats what the poppy represents? Thanks for that...had no idea....where are our current conflicts?

why mention our current conflicts as if the poppy only represents them ? and for fucks sake bore off about your bird !! what the fucks all this " hit a nerve?" stuff about ? you obviously dont realise quite how much you go on about it as if nobody else has ever pulled a younger sort, i may be wrong but i just get the impression of you as overweight aging hippy type bloke who is balding but with a ponytail, proudly standing alongside your obviously younger , but complete and utter munter of a girllfriend.

 

[Mellotron]

it was the " muslim community" that blew up buses and tube trains murdering fifty odd people in the process.

No it wasn't. What a stupid starting point to go from.

 

[daveinprague]

Bore off about my bird? lol...youre the only one mentioning her...
If you want to make it personal, ok..I think youre a racist twunt.

Im neither fat, bald, or pony tailed, and people on this board can verify, she is far from munterish. Im sorry its making your jealous streak make itself known, along with your latent racism.


as for mentioning current conflicts...why not? They are current conflicts...which conflicts would you prefer?
Which conflicts are relevent to muslims burning poppies?

 

[redhill seagull 66]

No it wasn't. What a stupid starting point to go from.

who was it then?.white christians?