Racist Blackpool Fans

[Barrel of Fun]

What British culture has gone up the chimney? Name some things that have gone.

Personally, I think one of the things about british culture is tolerance of other cultures and the ability to integrate the best parts of others culture into our own.

Indeed. Our whole country was based upon a sea-searchign empire that brought back riches, beliefs and cultures from far off places. Britain is as British as you want it to be. If you feel disenfranchised, then do something 'British'.

 

[blue'n'white]

I went to watch Blackburn v Villa about ten years ago, when Villa had the likes of Dalian Atkinson. Ehiogu, Joachim, Dwight Yorke, Collymore, Ian Taylor and Sasa Milosevic in the team.

One of the local inbreds from Blackburn, when Villa were stroking the ball all over the park, went "******, to ******, to ******, to ******, to Commie, to ******.....f***" (as Dwight Yorke hit the back of the net.

I was at a Villa v Middlesborough match at the time of the Marietta Higgs enquiry and the Boro fans started up with "Team full of n*ggers you're just a team full of n*ggers" and then went awfully quiet as the Villa fans riposted with "What's it like to f*** your kids"
Magic
I also remember the Millwall play off match in '91 when our black players were being abused rotten by the Millwall fans who had integrated themselves into the South Stand and Mike Small and Robert Codner made the bastards eat their words.
Great stuff

 

[Dandyman]

As opposed to the hyper-educated Oxbridge types who have forced mass immigration on a population that neither wanted it nor asked for it?

The strongest anti-racist force in this country has always been the organised working class. If you want to find a privileged Oxbridge type take a look at Nick Griffin.

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

What British culture has gone up the chimney? Name some things that have gone.

Personally, I think one of the things about british culture is tolerance of other cultures and the ability to integrate the best parts of others culture into our own.

Beware of foreigners

Mass immigration and a variety of cultures have eased public fears and distrust of everything foreign but with global terrorism and gains by the National Front in key areas around the UK we could be in for troubled times ahead.

We live in a society that has created segregation with whole communities living in isolation within the boundries of our cities. Do people actually want to integrate? How much of a problem has religion been in the UK? Many British born whites are or have already lost their faith in religion whilst other communities have clung desperately to their roots and religion. Just how big a part does religion play in our society and what problems does it cause?

Racism and racial intolerance is illegal in the UK but ask a Pakistani or a Vietnamese of his or her experiences in Great Britain. Racism is not all one sided either. Many whites have been on the receiving end of racist behaviour from non whites and asians are often treated badly by other asians from different castes or cultures. Just how big a problem is racist behaviour in the UK?

British Restaurant
When was the last time you saw a sign for a British Restaurant? Is British cuisine limited to everything with chips, and a roast on Sundays? Your average Brit is more likely to order a pizza or pop down the local Indian or Chinese take away these days. The fast food outlets contribute to our poor health and national obesity problems and fish and chips seems to be the staple diet for those that prefer truly British Food.

 

[Hatterlovesbrighton]

Beware of foreigners



British Restaurant
When was the last time you saw a sign for a British Restaurant? Is British cuisine limited to everything with chips, and a roast on Sundays? Your average Brit is more likely to order a pizza or pop down the local Indian or Chinese take away these days. The fast food outlets contribute to our poor health and national obesity problems and fish and chips seems to be the staple diet for those that prefer truly British Food.

You could have at least given your own thoughts rather than copying from somewhere else - British Culture and Britishness

Is this your answer to my question. Has the british restaurant been killed off by the integration of other cultures. Surely if people wanted to eat British food, they would. And of course they do. The vast majority of pubs serve British food.

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

You could have at least given your own thoughts rather than copying from somewhere else - British Culture and Britishness

Is this your answer to my question. Has the british restaurant been killed off by the integration of other cultures. Surely if people wanted to eat British food, they would. And of course they do. The vast majority of pubs serve British food.

Meant to credit sorry.

Thing is though that this sums it up. my concern is not to do with colour, but is to do with whole swathes of the country existing somehow outside but inside our society.

I think that the documentary on Enoch Powell shown recently really brought it home to me. I never realised that when Powell made his "Rivers of Blood" speech that there was a massive response from britons so huge that, if a General Election was held straight afterwards, he would have been swept to power with a huge majority. I always believed up to that point that he was some sort of fringe figure with extremist views, I never realised that him coming forward to warn against over dilution of basic Britishness would be equivalent to someone like David Cameron voicing this opinion today.

On balance I think he foresaw many of the problems we are blundering into today, disaffected immigrant populations with religious and cultural views which often are incompatible with those so bitterly fought for by the British

Successive Goverments have championed the multi-cultural which have in my view broadly failed or at least have not delivered the happy unified population that it was meant to encourage. Even Roy Evans, the Former Labour Home Secretary, who originally passionately instigated it in his later years bitterly regretted what he called his "biggest mistake in Politics"

Every time anyone voices these opinions, especially on here, there are accusations of racism from those determined to not debate the issue and examples of wooly liberal thinking that beggar belief.

If anyone can look at Britain today and honestly tell me that all is well and that everyone is happy and included then they do not live in the same Britain as I do. It is simply not enough (as usually happens) for someone to say Well I live in so and so street and everyone gets on brilliantly with everyone else" because of course in pockets individuals can co-exist, but if you step back and look at our society I believe anyon who claims that the multi-cultural "experiment" has worked is either a fool of a fantasist.

 

[Yorkie]

If anyone can look at Britain today and honestly tell me that all is well and that everyone is happy and included then they do not live in the same Britain as I do. It is simply not enough (as usually happens) for someone to say Well I live in so and so street and everyone gets on brilliantly with everyone else" because of course in pockets individuals can co-exist, but if you step back and look at our society I believe anyon who claims that the multi-cultural "experiment" has worked is either a fool of a fantasist


Bevendean Hillbilly, I have to take issue that the multi cultural society we live in has failed.
It is far better now than it ever was in the 60's when landlords were at liberty to put notices in their windows saying 'No blacks, no Irish and no dogs'


On balance I think he foresaw many of the problems we are blundering into today, disaffected immigrant populations with religious and cultural views which often are incompatible with those so bitterly fought for by the British

My Dad fought in the war against Nazism which said that people with religious and cultural views which were different should be put to death. He didn't have a problem with immigrants coming here to work. Many British leave these shores to live and work abroad. Do you have a problem with that, or should British people only stay in Britain?

 

[Hatterlovesbrighton]

But you still haven't said anything from British culture that has gone because of immigration, or is the dearth of British restaurants it? What is this basic Britishness that you talk about? Define it.

 

[El Presidente]

But you still haven't said anything from British culture that has gone because of immigration, or is the dearth of British restaurants it? What is this basic Britishness that you talk about? Define it.

Bad teeth, soggy vegetables, third rate car manufacturing and HP sauce with everything?

 

[Monkster]

British Restaurant
When was the last time you saw a sign for a British Restaurant?.

Harry's English Restaurant, Palmeira square. What?

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

But you still haven't said anything from British culture that has gone because of immigration, or is the dearth of British restaurants it? What is this basic Britishness that you talk about? Define it.

It's not immigration per say that I have an issue with. What I am saying is that multiculruralism has failed. Immigration was not the cause of this, it was believed wrongly, that Britain would benifit from encouraging migrants to continue to live within their own cultural systems alongside the host culture.

You ask for a definition of Britishness, how about (no copying) Fairness in all things, tolerance of differences including Sexuality and Gender, equal rights under law for those who express political thoughts out of step with society & a secular political structure to support it & a high degree of protection for children?. Granted this is not a definition, but I ask you to define what you see as "British" and I'd guess something similar would be written.

Now ask yourself if all of the above can be applied to the cultures where many migrants eminate from. If the answer to any is no, then it is up to you to defend those cultures, and their right to equal standing in Britain, to me not the other way around.

If anyone thinks that in a society where only last week we heard that in London literally hundreds of young Asian girls disappear from school registers to be forced into marriage in their mother countries, where honour killing of unhappy wives and gay men occurs almost every month, where areas in the North are teetering on the brink of riots caused by voluntary segregation and for the first time the Birth rate to non British mothers has outstripped the British, that everything is well needs their bumps felt.

 

[Yorkie]

If anyone thinks that in a society where only last week we heard that in London literally hundreds of young Asian girls disappear from school registers to be forced into marriage in their mother countries, where honour killing of unhappy wives and gay men occurs almost every month, where areas in the North are teetering on the brink of riots caused by voluntary segregation and for the first time the Birth rate to non British mothers has outstripped the British, that everything is well needs their bumps felt.

What exactly is the number of honour killings? How many are missing? How many forced marriages are there every year?

Areas in the north teetering on the brink of riots was 7 years ago. Things have improved vastly since then with leaders of various ethnicities working together like never before.
There always has been differences in this country whether between immigrants and indiginous people or even different estates within the same town. Human nature is human nature and to stick a label of immigration onto it is naive.

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

Bevendean Hillbilly, I have to take issue that the multi cultural society we live in has failed.
It is far better now than it ever was in the 60's when landlords were at liberty to put notices in their windows saying 'No blacks, no Irish and no dogs'?

I agree that there is less blatant racism these days which is a real positive, but is society a better more stable and cohesive place than it was in the 60's? besides I am not talking about racism, I am talking about multiculturalism which is not the same thing at all.

[/QUOTE]My Dad fought in the war against Nazism which said that people with religious and cultural views which were different should be put to death. He didn't have a problem with immigrants coming here to work. Many British leave these shores to live and work abroad. Do you have a problem with that, or should British people only stay in Britain

Good for your Dad. My Grandad fought too, my Dad was too young. What has that got to do with anything? If men like your Dad and my Grandad had'nt fought they would have been living under Nazi occupation and we wouldn't be having this conversation. I don't have a problem with immigration per se, I have a problem with uncontrolled immigration and Multiculturalism.

 

[El Presidente]

You ask for a definition of Britishness, how about (no copying) Fairness in all things, tolerance of differences including Sexuality and Gender, equal rights under law for those who express political thoughts out of step with society & a secular political structure to support it & a high degree of protection for children?. Granted this is not a definition, but I ask you to define what you see as "British" and I'd guess something similar would be written.

I think you have a very idealistic view of Britishness here, we live in an unfair society where the school/university you went to opens doors and opportunities, there is political and religious tolerance, but that is in common with many twentieth century democracies, as for the high degree of protection for children, the British are sexually repressed many don't know the difference between a paedophile and a paediatrician. We have the highest teenage pregnancy rate in Europe, because of the inability to deal with protecting our kids from ignorance.

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

What exactly is the number of honour killings? How many are missing? How many forced marriages are there every year?

Areas in the north teetering on the brink of riots was 7 years ago. Things have improved vastly since then with leaders of various ethnicities working together like never before.
There always has been differences in this country whether between immigrants and indiginous people or even different estates within the same town. Human nature is human nature and to stick a label of immigration onto it is naive.

Sorry, I've got to ask...do you read the papers at all? Anyroad, I was asking a question about multiculturalism primarily NOT immigration per se, just answer me, are you happy that these things go on? or would you rather that women of whatever creed or culture aren't killed for leaving their marriage?

 

[El Presidente]

Sorry, I've got to ask...do you read the papers at all? Anyroad, I was asking a question about multiculturalism primarily NOT immigration per se, just answer me, are you happy that these things go on? or would you rather that women of whatever creed or culture aren't killed for leaving their marriage?

I agree entirely with you about honour killings, and no one is attempting to defend them. You will also find that many of the religious followers of some of the cultures you are concerned about are just as hostile to such behaviour.

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

There are approximately 500 in London according to Keith Vaz. but that link doesn't work, so...

Dozens of missing schoolchildren feared forced into arranged marriages
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Last updated at 15:53pm on 5th March 2008

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Dozens of children are missing from school amid fears they have been forced into arranged marriages, it was revealed yesterday.


In Bradford, 33 children remain "unaccounted for" after being off school for at least two months with no explanation.

The Government is also concerned about another 14 areas of the country where it is feared children under 16 could also be missing from school rolls.

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Awaiting their fate: Young brides wait for their grooms in a mass arranged wedding in Bangladesh

The figures were disclosed yesterday by Children's Minister Kevin Brennan during evidence to the Commons Home Affairs Select Committee, which is investigating the controversial issue of forced marriages.

He revealed the results of worrying inquiries by officials in Bradford, a city with a substantial Asian population.



Children's Minister Kevin Brennan: disclosed the figures yesterday
Mr Brennan said Bradford City Council lost track of 205 youngsters last year.

Further inquiries had established the whereabouts of 172 - leaving 33 unaccounted for.

"It is a serious concern when any child - any single child - becomes unaccounted for," said Mr Brennan.

"And what we need to try to do is seek an explanation of what has happened."

Asked whether the police were looking for them, he added: "They should be."

Committee chairman Keith Vaz, a former Labour minister, said MPs were "very, very concerned".

"The figures you have given us quite frankly have shocked members of this committee just in relation to Bradford," he said.

He added: "There are 14 other areas where there are missing children. This is totally unsatisfactory."

The MPs demanded a report with more details about the "missing" children be ready by next Tuesday.

The national Forced Marriage Unit was set up three years ago to tackle the problem regarded as "an abuse of human rights and a form of domestic violence".

Laws coming into force this summer will allow victims to obtain court injunctions against anyone trying to force them to marry.

A spokesman for the department of children, schools and families said there was no evidence the "missing" children had been forced into marriage but Bradford was an area where "a forced marriage problem has been reported".

"We have asked the local authority to find out more details about these children," she said.

"They might have moved somewhere else or they may have left the country.

"This is a relatively new inquiry and we are trying to get more information."

A spokesman for the local education authority in Bradford played down any fears, saying parents may have simply failed to register their children at another school since moving house.

 

[ben andrews' girlfriend]

British Restaurant
When was the last time you saw a sign for a British Restaurant? Is British cuisine limited to everything with chips, and a roast on Sundays? Your average Brit is more likely to order a pizza or pop down the local Indian or Chinese take away these days. The fast food outlets contribute to our poor health and national obesity problems and fish and chips seems to be the staple diet for those that prefer truly British Food.

Most of the pubs round where i live do "british" pub lunches!

What would a "British take away" involve?

 

[Yorkie]

What would a "British take away" involve?

Fish and chips?

 

[Yorkie]

Dozens of children are missing from school amid fears they have been forced into arranged marriages, it was revealed yesterday.



A spokesman for the local education authority in Bradford played down any fears, saying parents may have simply failed to register their children at another school since moving house.

There are fears that children have been forced into arranged marriages but these are not facts.
The answer seems to be the last paragraph of your article.