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Bevendean Hillbilly
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This is the article I meant to post but got wrong.
Britain has changed but its values must endure
Last Updated: 12:01am GMT 06/01/2008
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Britain is now a pluralist society: it is a country of people who have come from many different traditions and backgrounds, and who espouse different religious beliefs or none at all. But Britain still remains a liberal democracy governed by a single set of laws - laws whose roots lie in the Christian tradition that helped to form our moral values and culture.
There is much to celebrate in the diversity of the people who make up today's Britain, and in the dynamism and richness that diversity has brought to this country. But does it also pose a threat to the primacy of the Christian tradition, and even to a single, unified set of laws based on a liberal, tolerant political outlook? Michael Nazir-Ali, the Bishop of Rochester, believes that it may have precisely that consequence, and he expresses his forthright views in The Sunday Telegraph today.
Bishop Nazir-Ali's concern that the rapidity and scale of immigration, together with the policy of multiculturalism, threaten Britain's Christian heritage are echoed by the Church of England General Synod, a majority of which worries that large-scale immigration is "diluting the Christian nature of Britain".
advertisementIt is not necessary to endorse all of Bishop Nazir-Ali's analysis to recognise that the scale and speed of immigration into Britain in recent years has indeed caused some serious social problems. Although those problems have long been at the top of voters' concerns, it has, until recently, been almost impossible to raise, let alone discuss, them in public: to do so risked being labelled "racist", a charge that has worked very effectively to shut down any further debate.
We believe that the root of the problems that have been caused, or at least exacerbated, by rapid mass immigration - including stresses and strains on the availability of publicly-funded goods, such as education, health and council housing - is less the scale and speed of immigration itself than the way Governments of all stripes have dealt with it. The policy of multiculturalism, which for decades has been the officially-sanctioned policy for immigrants, has actively worked against integrating new arrivals into British culture, traditions and values.
The model has not been the melting pot but the mosaic: instead of co-opting newcomers into the values of toleration, secular democracy and respect for the law as made by Parliament and interpreted by the judiciary, multiculturalism has encouraged immigrants to form their monocultural islands of belief and tradition, in which they reproduce their own values, regardless of whether they are inimical to the British way of doing things.
In 2008, it is not necessary to be Christian to enjoy the full liberties of the British subject (and it has not been for at least 150 years). Although it may be the result of a Christian heritage, the British way of doing things today has little to do with commitment to a specific religion: those of different faiths, whether Muslim, Hindu, Jewish or whatever, are of course full members of any British society that is worth having and preserving. What is required, however, is commitment to the democratic procedures by which law is made in Britain, and to the laws those procedures produce.
That is not a commitment that excludes much - but it does exclude the idea that all "man-made", as opposed to "God-made", law is illegitimate. So it excludes, for example, the narrow theocratic extremism of the Islamist sects that insist that only laws which derive from the Koran or Islamic tradition should be obeyed or enforced, and that they must be allowed to rule their own communities by Koranic law.
Multiculturalism allowed narrow theocratic extremism of that kind to flourish in Britain. The Government has finally realised that this was a mistake, and has promised new policies based around inculcating "British values". That is a huge improvement on multi-culturalism, which did not even insist that immigrants learn English. But it has yet to dismantle the enormous bureaucracy dedicated to promoting multiculturalism, or the jobs of the thousands of officials that depend on it.
Until it does so, separateness will continue to flourish - as will its potentially calamitous consequences for the integration of immigrants into Britain.
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Im not a Christian but this is really what I am driving at.
Britain has changed but its values must endure
Last Updated: 12:01am GMT 06/01/2008
Have your say Read comments
Britain is now a pluralist society: it is a country of people who have come from many different traditions and backgrounds, and who espouse different religious beliefs or none at all. But Britain still remains a liberal democracy governed by a single set of laws - laws whose roots lie in the Christian tradition that helped to form our moral values and culture.
There is much to celebrate in the diversity of the people who make up today's Britain, and in the dynamism and richness that diversity has brought to this country. But does it also pose a threat to the primacy of the Christian tradition, and even to a single, unified set of laws based on a liberal, tolerant political outlook? Michael Nazir-Ali, the Bishop of Rochester, believes that it may have precisely that consequence, and he expresses his forthright views in The Sunday Telegraph today.
Bishop Nazir-Ali's concern that the rapidity and scale of immigration, together with the policy of multiculturalism, threaten Britain's Christian heritage are echoed by the Church of England General Synod, a majority of which worries that large-scale immigration is "diluting the Christian nature of Britain".
advertisementIt is not necessary to endorse all of Bishop Nazir-Ali's analysis to recognise that the scale and speed of immigration into Britain in recent years has indeed caused some serious social problems. Although those problems have long been at the top of voters' concerns, it has, until recently, been almost impossible to raise, let alone discuss, them in public: to do so risked being labelled "racist", a charge that has worked very effectively to shut down any further debate.
We believe that the root of the problems that have been caused, or at least exacerbated, by rapid mass immigration - including stresses and strains on the availability of publicly-funded goods, such as education, health and council housing - is less the scale and speed of immigration itself than the way Governments of all stripes have dealt with it. The policy of multiculturalism, which for decades has been the officially-sanctioned policy for immigrants, has actively worked against integrating new arrivals into British culture, traditions and values.
The model has not been the melting pot but the mosaic: instead of co-opting newcomers into the values of toleration, secular democracy and respect for the law as made by Parliament and interpreted by the judiciary, multiculturalism has encouraged immigrants to form their monocultural islands of belief and tradition, in which they reproduce their own values, regardless of whether they are inimical to the British way of doing things.
In 2008, it is not necessary to be Christian to enjoy the full liberties of the British subject (and it has not been for at least 150 years). Although it may be the result of a Christian heritage, the British way of doing things today has little to do with commitment to a specific religion: those of different faiths, whether Muslim, Hindu, Jewish or whatever, are of course full members of any British society that is worth having and preserving. What is required, however, is commitment to the democratic procedures by which law is made in Britain, and to the laws those procedures produce.
That is not a commitment that excludes much - but it does exclude the idea that all "man-made", as opposed to "God-made", law is illegitimate. So it excludes, for example, the narrow theocratic extremism of the Islamist sects that insist that only laws which derive from the Koran or Islamic tradition should be obeyed or enforced, and that they must be allowed to rule their own communities by Koranic law.
Multiculturalism allowed narrow theocratic extremism of that kind to flourish in Britain. The Government has finally realised that this was a mistake, and has promised new policies based around inculcating "British values". That is a huge improvement on multi-culturalism, which did not even insist that immigrants learn English. But it has yet to dismantle the enormous bureaucracy dedicated to promoting multiculturalism, or the jobs of the thousands of officials that depend on it.
Until it does so, separateness will continue to flourish - as will its potentially calamitous consequences for the integration of immigrants into Britain.
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Im not a Christian but this is really what I am driving at.
Gully
Monkey in a seagull suit.
The only things that I can think of that we have lost from British culture over the last hundred years or so are women not having the vote, sending young children up chimmneys, fox hunting and capital punishment...if we can blame any of that lot on immigrants then I am eternally grateful.
I read a news article last week about a Polish lass who had been living here for a year but had decided to return home, instead of working 2 or 3 jobs and living in a shared house she had decided to go back to a single job that paid just as well and in a country where she could afford a flat of her own. How many Brits would be better off living in Poland where the wages have pretty much caught up with the UK and the cost of living is far lower...I think the tide might be about to change, without the recent influx of migrants from Eastern Europe this country could well be rogered.
I read a news article last week about a Polish lass who had been living here for a year but had decided to return home, instead of working 2 or 3 jobs and living in a shared house she had decided to go back to a single job that paid just as well and in a country where she could afford a flat of her own. How many Brits would be better off living in Poland where the wages have pretty much caught up with the UK and the cost of living is far lower...I think the tide might be about to change, without the recent influx of migrants from Eastern Europe this country could well be rogered.
I am a practising Christian (yes, I have to practise as I'm nowhere near perfect) and I cannot see immigration diluting it at all.
Firstly does Britain have a Christian nature?
Secondly, the church that I attend has 42 different nationalities represented (figures given out recently when our membership rose over 900)
Bevendean Hillbilly
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Well, the article is reporting the views of senior church officers and the General Synod so tell them their opinion is wrong.
On this occaision I agree with them and also welcome the assertion at the end of that article that Multiculturalism as a concept is not now and never will work so Hooray that we are realising this at last. I get thouroughly hacked off that repeatedly respondents on here have assumed that either I am a racist, and have a dislike of immigrants, all I am saying is that multiculturalism, fuelled by uncontrolled immigrationh does'nt benefit Britain, and I want it to stop.
They only speak for the CofE not for all Christians. The CofE lost touch years ago which was why I left it.
Multiculturism benefits society and always has done. Like anything else you can problems if you look hard enough and your main argument seems to be finding articles that reflect your point of view rather than actually experiencing it for yourself.
Bevendean Hillbilly
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So we should welcome a cultural view that, erm, does not allow women equal rights (Islam)? an equal voice to our own just because we realised years ago that Women were equal and now have to be nice because another culture hasn't realised that yet...That we should welcome the idea of capital punishment (Islam)I don't follow your thinking, what other cultures think about fox hunting is not really relevant..I am asserting that. society cannot accomodate exactly that kind of disconnect.
There is a lot of this type of thinking about, if someone dares to stand up and say that they think things have gone too far in terms of Cultural integration (or rather lack of it) there are always those who jump on them and start accusing them of intolerance or worse still being a Nazi!! get over it people, Multiculturalism doesn't work.
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bhaexpress
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You get the distinct impression that a lot of people have an issue with muslims as gainst any other ethic group of immigrants such as the Eastern Europeans, The Austrolasians, The North Americans, The Europeans, The Africans, and The West Indians not to mention Sikhs and Hindus.
Of course they treat women differently, maybe they got the idea from The Roman Catholic Church, ever seen a femail Priest for example ?
Of course they treat women differently, maybe they got the idea from The Roman Catholic Church, ever seen a femail Priest for example ?
Bevendean Hillbilly
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I am a Catholic by birth but long ago realised what a crock religion is generally so would'nt bother me either way if they had Women priests or not I still wouldn't listen to them.
I guess what you are saying there is that I have problem with Islamic culture which is true based on what I have seen of it and the reason that it is probably most apparent is quite simple...there are a lot more Muslims around these days.
There are cultural issues with other religious groups, certainly sihkism and voodoo (I am not joking) but they are not as prevalent in overall society.
Again I mention my problem is with some cultures rather than ethnic groups.
I pretty much side with Richard Dawkins on all this, religious dogma and its entwinement with culture leads to incompatibilities between people of different nationalities, no religion=people living alongside each other in peace.
Dandyman
In London village.
I assume you would agree then that we should dis-establish the Church of England, abolish the blasphemy law, remove Bishops from the House of Lords, end the funding of "faith" schools, end the obligation on schools to conduct an act of daily worship of Christian nature and simply say that provided people obey the law and pay their taxes then there is no problem?
p.s. the biggest threat to British identity in my lifetime is the wholesale Americanisation of the country.
Bevendean Hillbilly
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Pretty much.. with the exception of the "Christian Nature" bit, I would ban all religious interference with young minds until they are mature enought decide for themselves what to believe.
And you are right as well that Americanisation has been just as damaging, if not more so, to British identity as anything else.
It is my firm belief that eventually the human race will live like this provided we dont kill ourselves off fighting over whether our personal God is better than someone elses..
Captain Haddock
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Pretty pink fairy
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Pretty pink fairy
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" What british culture has gone up the chimney".......jewish?
Bevendean Hillbilly
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I cant believe you have said that. That is soooo low.
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i know its not a nice thing to say but it is the truth