Question Time

[SIMMO SAYS]

Just got in from a ten hour day and read this thread. Are you all on fecking benefits yourselves to be able to spout this shit all day? Just a question like!

 

[Bigbelly]

Just got in from a ten hour day and read this thread. Are you all on fecking benefits yourselves to be able to spout this shit all day? Just a question like!

Shut it! I get up at 5am every monrning and not home till 5 or 6pm every evening. Don’t assume that we’re all the same because we’ve posted in this thread, believe it or not that people do have office jobs so can post from work unlike me who is a manual worker.

 

[SIMMO SAYS]

Bigbelly-------go watch the football!!

 

[The Merry Prankster]

I wonder how many of the threads participants who think someone on
£250 - £400 p/w (in this country) is in poverty have really seen yer actual dying in the dirt poverty so prevalent in parts of the third world. I have and whilst I wouldn't want to be living on a sink estate in Scotland on £250 a week, I'd rather be doing that than living in real poverty by a factor of about a million.

 

[Alex Alex Dawson oo! oo!]

I showed you a particular scenario of an unemployed single mother with two young children, living in a council house.

You would probably agree that she might be categorised as a person that could fall into your poverty status.

She would receive more than £400 per week, considerably more with associated benefits - WHERE?.

But you and some others continue to say poverty exists, it doesn't, how can it.

She is being paid an annual salary in excess of £20 000 by the state.

Quite simply give a scenario where poverty exists, show the figures and we can all decide.

Yeah, there is a handy little benefit calculator on the directgov website.

I was an unemployed single parent to two young boys, I would imagine that this would fit into your 'poverty profile'.

Now I am not dismissing the difficulty for some in these situation but if you compare to many on here working it does offer an insight to the benefit system.

It is not POVERTY.

You may be able to claim the following benefit(s), which we have estimated for you:

Child Tax Credit £113.68 per week

Housing Benefit £200.00 per week
If the family's living in a council house then the HB will only cover the "eligible" rent - ie whatever the actual rent is.

Council Tax Benefit £11.54 per week
Ok, so assuming this will cover the entire council tax (@ £600pa?), then the family has a roof over their head. Btw, my council's (Waverley BC) lowest band A for 2012/13 is £1013pa.

Child Benefit £33.70 per week

Jobseeker's Allowance (Contribution based) £71.00 per week
JSA (CB) is only payable for 26 weeks maximum.


Total weekly income £429.92 per week

The further benefits that can be accessed:

Extra help that may be available to you:

Free school meals

NHS Healthy Start Vouchers for children under four years old

Free NHS prescriptions

Free NHS dental treatment

Free NHS sight test

Vouchers towards the cost of glasses or contact lenses

(Reasonable) travel costs to hospital for NHS treatment

With their housing costs covered this family has £218.08pw to feed and clothe themselves. Assuming the water supply/drainage comes in at £10pw (£520pa was approx what we were paying in 3 bed house nearly 4 years ago) and heating/lighting/cooking at £25pw (£1300pa) then this reduces to £183.08pw or £112.08pw if the mother doesn't get a job. The guaranteed minimum pension income (basic and credit) for a single retired person is £137.25.

 

[The Birdman]

Yeah , a convicted burglar who writes seriously shit poetry who's got such a chip on his shoulder about this country he turned down the OBE that a patronising white establishment offered him, seriously , why do we "need" to hear from him more ? , he is a second generation immigrant who hates the way this country is and is so proud of his caribbean roots , yet still lives here , the reason people like you "need to hear from him more" is to make yourself feel good about how cool and down with multiculturalism you are, I bet he cannot believe his f***ing luck how people like you fawn over him and how the absolute dogshit he passes off as poetry is taken seriously .

You got that wrong his roots should go back to Africa!

 

[beorhthelm]

funny thing about the arbitary valution of poverty is that several hundred thousand people every year put themselves into that income bracket voluntarily, by becoming students.

 

[Big_Unit]

Yeah , a convicted burglar who writes seriously shit poetry who's got such a chip on his shoulder about this country he turned down the OBE that a patronising white establishment offered him, seriously , why do we "need" to hear from him more ? , he is a second generation immigrant who hates the way this country is and is so proud of his caribbean roots , yet still lives here , the reason people like you "need to hear from him more" is to make yourself feel good about how cool and down with multiculturalism you are, I bet he cannot believe his f***ing luck how people like you fawn over him and how the absolute dogshit he passes off as poetry is taken seriously .

He is a VERY, VERY bad poet...

 

[BigGully]

With their housing costs covered this family has £218.08pw to feed and clothe themselves. Assuming the water supply/drainage comes in at £10pw (£520pa was approx what we were paying in 3 bed house nearly 4 years ago) and heating/lighting/cooking at £25pw (£1300pa) then this reduces to £183.08pw or £112.08pw if the mother doesn't get a job. The guaranteed minimum pension income (basic and credit) for a single retired person is £137.25.

So yes, after everything else is paid for they then have £218.08 to spend on food etc. you may want to add other likely associated benefits like free school meals. free dental care and any of her prescriptions.

Many areas have funding that might cover other costs such as after school activities etc. these are real costs that working families need to budget for, sometimes unable to attend an activity whereas the child of someone that is in receipt of benefits do.

 

[Nibble]

Just got in from a ten hour day and read this thread. Are you all on fecking benefits yourselves to be able to spout this shit all day? Just a question like!

No we just have better jobs than you and are allowed to manage our own workload how we see fit.

 

[Nibble]

The benefit system surpasses those figures, I am guessing these represent disposable income after housing costs.

Benefits are not meant to make you rich and compared to many hard-working people these figures might seem quite obscene and surprising this constitutes someone's interpretation of poverty.

Single adult - 165 a week? Someone on JSA doesn't get anywhere near that do they?

 

[SIMMO SAYS]

No we just have better jobs than you and are allowed to manage our own workload how we see fit.

Good for you Nibble - hope you enjoy working at a better job than me and giving a large percentage of your money over to the fecking needy. I also manage my workload as I see fit so we have something in common.

 

[Nibble]

Good for you Nibble - hope you enjoy working at a better job than me and giving a large percentage of your money over to the fecking needy. I also manage my workload as I see fit so we have something in common.

Everything allright at home? You eating properly? Keeping in touch with family?

 

[SIMMO SAYS]

Everything allright at home? You eating properly? Keeping in touch with family?

Dont understand the questions Nibble have I touched a nerve?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

How about a woman, who got a bit drunk, made a mistake and slept with an idiot, got pregnant?

Or how about the middle-class mum whose husband ran off with the au pair?

 

[SIMMO SAYS]

Everything allright at home? You eating properly? Keeping in touch with family?

As its a real slow afternoon I thought I may alter your drivel a little.
Is everything alright at your home-Answer,yes it is, why should'nt it be and whats it got to do with you?
Are you eating properly-Answer,yes just had a lovely roast, and whats it got to do with you?
Are you keeping in touch with your family-Answer,what has that got to do with you?

Patronising aint it?

 

[Nibble]

As its a real slow afternoon I thought I may alter your drivel a little.
Is everything alright at your home-Answer,yes it is, why should'nt it be and whats it got to do with you?
Are you eating properly-Answer,yes just had a lovely roast, and whats it got to do with you?
Are you keeping in touch with your family-Answer,what has that got to do with you?

Patronising aint it?

I think you are taking this all a bit seriously. Try some St Johns Wort and chew some velarium root.

 

[SIMMO SAYS]

I think you are taking this all a bit seriously. Try some St Johns Wort and chew some velarium root.

Nibble-----Everything I have posted,as far as I can remember is always done tongue in cheek mate-ask 'Ernest'----Roll on Saturday when we can all talk football

 

[Nibble]

Nibble-----Everything I have posted,as far as I can remember is always done tongue in cheek mate-ask 'Ernest'----Roll on Saturday when we can all talk football

noted

 

[El Presidente]

people in sunderland who couldnt afford a joint of meat werent living in poverty.

Surely they are living in Sunderland?