[Football] QPR Ruling

[Nixonator]

looking at the figures i have seen brighton losses in last 3 years
10.5m
24.44m
unknown
so if over 3 years you are allowed to lose 39m think brighton could be in the same boat unless they managed to stay under a 3m loss for there promotion year ? thoughts

The rules have changed, first it was 13M annual losses, now it is 39M over 3 years. I'm never really one to knock Bournemouth, it would have been extremely difficult for them to have been promoted from the Championship any other way so you chanced it and it paid off, now you're reaping the rewards. Fair play (poor choice of words perhaps). If we hadn't been utter shite that season I may have felt more aggrieved. Having said that, yours (and others) defence seems to be to try and tar us with the same brush. Not happening, the chances of us breaking FFP are as remote as Trump constructing a coherent sentence. From the very first moment, when the first iteration of the rules were set it was our chairman's mandate to comply.

You also have the stadium depreciation and academy 'pit' which with a bit of creative accounting can keep you on the straight and narrow...

You'll have to elaborate on this as I'm not really following.

We haven't spent over the odds and then classified that spending as 'depreciation'. Depreciation is very much a real thing for any company with large assets such as machinery/premises/facilities.

We put up a brand new stadium and training ground which cost our chairman a pretty penny, and anything newly built/purchased is generally going to depreciate at a rapid rate - hence our 5-6M annual losses.

These losses are not counted (rightly) under FFP ruling as I understand them, as they aren't really running costs of a football club. Likewise, as you mention, academy costs.

There is no cooking of the books going on here, or 'creative accounting' as you suggest in order to pay our players vast wages or give our manager transfer warchests. You need only look at our wage structure and transfer spending comparitively to other Championship clubs over the last few years to get a clear enough picture.

 

[Mackenzie]

I hope they survive, it’s not the fans fault.

 

[Stephen Seagull]

I hope they survive, it’s not the fans fault.

Absolutely the opposite, hope it kills them off and they have to start again like the Scottish Rangers.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

bad reporting as Bournemouth payed there fine do think that they need to revise the timing that the accounts are taken into account as a couple of Bournemouth expensive signings after promotion were taken into account

Good reporting as they haven't paid the full fine.

 

[Papa Lazarou]

Good reporting as they haven't paid the full fine.

But they may well have to

 

[Mackenzie]

Absolutely the opposite, hope it kills them off and they have to start again like the Scottish Rangers.

Rangers did survive though, they’re still Rangers who play at Ibrox in the Scottish Premiership. They just had the minor inconvenience of a couple of relegations. QPR will have got off lightly if that’s their fate.

I’m talking about liquidation, ground sold for development and starting AFCQPR in a school playing field in the West London parks league division 8.

 

[Weststander]

The rules have changed, first it was 13M annual losses, now it is 39M over 3 years. I'm never really one to knock Bournemouth, it would have been extremely difficult for them to have been promoted from the Championship any other way so you chanced it and it paid off, now you're reaping the rewards. Fair play (poor choice of words perhaps). If we hadn't been utter shite that season I may have felt more aggrieved. Having said that, yours (and others) defence seems to be to try and tar us with the same brush. Not happening, the chances of us breaking FFP are as remote as Trump constructing a coherent sentence. From the very first moment, when the first iteration of the rules were set it was our chairman's mandate to comply.



You'll have to elaborate on this as I'm not really following.

We haven't spent over the odds and then classified that spending as 'depreciation'. Depreciation is very much a real thing for any company with large assets such as machinery/premises/facilities.

We put up a brand new stadium and training ground which cost our chairman a pretty penny, and anything newly built/purchased is generally going to depreciate at a rapid rate - hence our 5-6M annual losses.

These losses are not counted (rightly) under FFP ruling as I understand them, as they aren't really running costs of a football club. Likewise, as you mention, academy costs.

There is no cooking of the books going on here, or 'creative accounting' as you suggest in order to pay our players vast wages or give our manager transfer warchests. You need only look at our wage structure and transfer spending comparitively to other Championship clubs over the last few years to get a clear enough picture.

Excellent post.

Facts over ill informed gossip.

 

[Weststander]

Good reporting as they haven't paid the full fine.

True. The telegraph reported last night that the qpr ruling allows the FL to now collect fully from Bournemouth and Leicester.

 

[Papa Lazarou]

True. The telegraph reported last night that the qpr ruling allows the FL to now collect fully from Bournemouth and Leicester.

Id prefer a hefty points deduction, but i think I'm biased

 

[sandfacer]

Id prefer a hefty points deduction, but i think I'm biased

if they did decide on points deduction not that they can as it is not in the rules it would only apply if in the FL not the EPL
whilst i understand the reasons behind the fair play ruling it stacks the odds very heavilly in favour of bigger clubs/ clubs with big grounds how can a smaller club be competitve if cant aford to buy the same quality of players that another team can if an owner wants to invest money as a gift to the clubs it should be allowed as doesent ruin sustainability

 

[Triggaaar]

Rangers did survive though, they’re still Rangers who play at Ibrox in the Scottish Premiership. They just had the minor inconvenience of a couple of relegations. QPR will have got off lightly if that’s their fate.

I’m talking about liquidation, ground sold for development and starting AFCQPR in a school playing field in the West London parks league division 8.

Scottish Rangers were liquidated, and the current rangers have never won anything. Sure, Scotland pretends they have to keep people happy, but we know they haven't.

 

[Badger]

Scottish Rangers were liquidated, and the current rangers have never won anything. Sure, Scotland pretends they have to keep people happy, but we know they haven't.

To be fair, there isn't a huge difference between winning nothing and winning some Scottish trophies.

 

[BensGrandad]

Why cant the FL set a limit of 1st April for full payment of the fine backed by automatic relegation to League 2 for failure to pay. Surely that would make them sit up and take notice that the FL were serious.

 

[FatSuperman]

whilst i understand the reasons behind the fair play ruling it stacks the odds very heavilly in favour of bigger clubs/ clubs with big grounds how can a smaller club be competitve if cant aford to buy the same quality of players that another team can if an owner wants to invest money as a gift to the clubs it should be allowed as doesent ruin sustainability

But clubs were going bust, it's not sustainable the moment the rich owner gives up, or runs out of folding. I totally agree that it helps the already rich clubs - many of whom weren't rich when I was a kid - they've been lucky with the timing I suppose, and having a big stable of valuable players is perfect for trading off new purchases against sales. But despite all of that, what is the alternative? This is certainly not perfect but it's the least bad option anyone has come up with.

 

[Weststander]

But clubs were going bust, it's not sustainable the moment the rich owner gives up, or runs out of folding. I totally agree that it helps the already rich clubs - many of whom weren't rich when I was a kid - they've been lucky with the timing I suppose, and having a big stable of valuable players is perfect for trading off new purchases against sales. But despite all of that, what is the alternative? This is certainly not perfect but it's the least bad option anyone has come up with.

This.

It's working. The regular club administrations have stopped and extreme 'buying' promotion over everyone else seems less likely too.

 

[lancyclaret]

According to Sky, Bournemouth and Leicester are watching closely, so perhaps they haven't paid it off.........

-40 points would be fair if you ask me, then we just need to finish above Palace.

Points deductions would deter clubs from trying to break the rules. Even a one-point deduction.

In cricket, 2016 champions Middlesex were relegated this season after a 2-point deduction. Somerset would have gone down instead but for the deduction.

 

[lancyclaret]

if they did decide on points deduction not that they can as it is not in the rules it would only apply if in the FL not the EPL
whilst i understand the reasons behind the fair play ruling it stacks the odds very heavilly in favour of bigger clubs/ clubs with big grounds how can a smaller club be competitve if cant aford to buy the same quality of players that another team can if an owner wants to invest money as a gift to the clubs it should be allowed as doesent ruin sustainability

How can a "smaller club be competitive.......bla bla bla" .......if it doesn't have a billionaire "sugar-daddy"?

Maxim should not have been allowed to flout/cheat the FFP rules to get B'mth promoted. £30 million wages against an annual income of £12 million

 

[lancyclaret]

I am interested about how Wolves, Villa, Derby, Sheff Wed etc..are managing to keep to the FFP rules (big-spending and PL-type wages in the Championship)

 

[afcb]

How can a "smaller club be competitive.......bla bla bla" .......if it doesn't have a billionaire "sugar-daddy"?

Maxim should not have been allowed to flout/cheat the FFP rules to get B'mth promoted. £30 million wages against an annual income of £12 million

bore off

 

[Ernest]

bore off

Nothing like 2 supporters of TINPOT teams having an argument on a much BIGGER teams forum