[Music] Punk/New Wave BBC4 tonight

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Just watched episode 1. Some great clips, but not played in full so rather irritating. The order of the clips was random (77, 82, back to 75, what the actual ****, when used to inform a narrative?)

As for the commentary.....she wasn't there. There is no narrative. She has no clue. Never heard such a load of old made up bollocks since I last read a post by [MENTION=277]looney[/MENTION]. Kraftwerk punk? All I can say is she must have been ver ver drunk when she took the telly shilling to spout nonsense over that.

Those were important years for me. Imagine having a prog on our Gillingham exile years that started with a game at Withdean and a couple at the Amex, and a shot of some wrinkly old totter, scratching its arse and going on about Zamora?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Really didn't care much for the punk rock era. Too much spit and angst and not much talent. The one notable exception being The Stranglers. They had all the attitude and menace and controversy followed them. But crucially they could write a decent song and play their instruments. Greenfield's rippling keyboards and JJ's growling bass tone were to die for.

Wan't a cup of Ovaltine, dad? Do turn off the hall light off, on your way out. Nighty night.

 

[Wozza]

Guy Garvey: From The Vaults has rare/unseen footage AND great commentary....

https://www.sky.com/watch/title/ser...y-from-the-vaults/episodes/season-1/episode-1

 

[Peteinblack]

I saw both of these bands in Brighton, Grand Parade, think it was called The Basement, probably around 80 81

I used to go to gigs at the Basement in the early '80s - and actually DJ'd at a gig there once (a friend at the Art College had arranged a gig, and knowing my taste in music and the likely clientele for the gig, asked me to play the music before and after the main band). Can't remember who the band was, though!

 

[Peteinblack]

The classic New York Dolls intro before Jet Boy which he did through gritted teeth is a TV classic and a wake up call to the bosses to put the old relic out to grass if there ever was

Yeah, I remember seeing the NYDs do Jet Boy on OGWT at the time - Bob Harris was clearly not impressed.

Mind you, neither was my old man, who ruined most of the song by muttering "Look at the fakkin state of them. We need another war to make real men out of these fakkin poofs. We've gone soft. In my day..... blah blah blah".

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Yeah, I remember seeing the NYDs do Jet Boy on OGWT at the time - Bob Harris was clearly not impressed.

Mind you, neither was my old man, who ruined most of the song by muttering "Look at the fakkin state of them. We need another war to make real men out of these fakkin poofs. We've gone soft. In my day..... blah blah blah".

Lol! Take out the effing and blinding (he never used the F word ever in my hearing - remarkably) and my old man said pretty much the same thing. One of the many episodes that made me think I was on to something.

 

[Peteinblack]

Very good! Post punk, and the music tat has grown from it is my thing. If I may I'll add to your list. I'll be interested of you know them. The last in the list are the unluckiest band ever - sound like a cross between the Cult and Theatre of Hate which, to my ears now, is fab but, back in 87 they would have been brutalized for being 4 years late and 'derivative' (I came across them only very recently). The public can be so . . . . :

MX80 Sound
Normil Hawaiins
Blue Orchids
Tuxedomoon
UK Decay (listened to them today, oddly)
Theatre of Hate/Spear of Destiny
Moev
Minimal Compact
Danse Society
The Clan of Xymox
Skinny Puppy
The Burning Skies of Elysium

And of course, from Brighton, The Last Cry (the singer - amazing voice - is an occasional poster on NSC)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBIyX_VuWRQ

Wow, only heard a few of those, I'm embarrassed to confess. Theatre of Hate/Spear of Destiny I liked, although they attracted a lot of rather aggressive 'rockabilly' types I recall, who did this elbow-flapping 'chicken dance', which was also an excuse to barge into people and perhaps start a brawl if anyone had the temerity to say "Oy, be more careful".

Danse Society, and UK Decay, I'm aware of.

I'll check out The Burning Skies of Elysium.

I also liked some of the early 80s' Brighton/Attrix Records 'scene' - Birds With Ears, The Objeks, The Chefs.

A school-friend of mine, Stu Jones worked in Attrix records on Sydney Street, and for a time, also managed Birds With Ears, and later became in-store DJ, I vaguely recall, in HMV on Western Road.

 

[Peteinblack]

Lol! Take out the effing and blinding (he never used the F word ever in my hearing - remarkably) and my old man said pretty much the same thing. One of the many episodes that made me think I was on to something.

My old man once asked me "What do you want to be when you grow-up?", to which I honestly replied: "The opposite of you." I got a 'clip round the ear', but it was worth it.

He had the mentality of "I left school at 14 and got a proper job [labourer at the old power station in Southwick], and if it was good enough for me, it's good enough for you. Why do you want to go university. It'll be full of poncey types and "queers" learning long words and things that will be no use in the real world."

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Wow, only heard a few of those, I'm embarrassed to confess. Theatre of Hate/Spear of Destiny I liked, although they attracted a lot of rather aggressive 'rockabilly' types I recall, who did this elbow-flapping 'chicken dance', which was also an excuse to barge into people and perhaps start a brawl if anyone had the temerity to say "Oy, be more careful".

Danse Society, and UK Decay, I'm aware of.

I'll check out The Burning Skies of Elysium.

I also liked some of the early 80s' Brighton/Attrix Records 'scene' - Birds With Ears, The Objeks, The Chefs.

A school-friend of mine, Stu Jones worked in Attrix records on Sydney Street, and for a time, also managed Birds With Ears, and later became in-store DJ, I vaguely recall, in HMV on Western Road.

Ha!. Good. I hope you like what you get to hear. There are actually a couple of American band (of sorts) in there. I barely listened to anything not from the UK or Germany till the mid 80s (ironic, since 90% of my acquisitions in the last 20 years are not British). I have 2 (I think) Attrix compilation CDs. A bit mixed and postly post punk pop, but still excellent. I didn't see Theatre of Hate live. I didn't like audiences that took liberties. Early mosh pits (not called that, then) was almost choreographed mock violence. I only ever had one (handbagsy) punch up, at The Nashville in Fulham watching the original Ruts, but that was later (78?) and gigs were attracting gormless oiks by then, and punk was seriously over. I'm such a snob My neighbour was in a band that ended up supporting one of those weird bands that [MENTION=13230]Psychobilly freakout[/MENTION] could tell us about where the audience was covered in blood within a few seconds of the gig starting - not for me, that. I was in a long overcoat with (ironically) a quiff and a sombre shoegaze demeanour by then (not called shoegaze then, of course). My how time flies.

I was a student in London 76-79 (so not a 'proper' punk in 76, but I think I got away with it) and got to see the Brighton bands only in the holidays. Still, the summer of 77 was 5 gigs a week....this was before Birds with Ears (I love the live version of 'head in my bag' - Peel played it) and the Objeks, but the Chefs were an early band (Wiki says 79 but I thought they started earlier) I saw. Carl the singer and guitarist was very young (17) and very sweet. My girlfriend at the time was from Burgess Hill and (I think) was pals with Carl's sister (?). Anyway I met him a few times.

'Brighton' bands I saw regularly (not all punk, and if I'm, honest, punk as a cutting edge genre was over by the end of 77) were Wrist Action, The Piranhas, The Dandies, Blues Jim (yes, I know), The Chefs, The Molesters....

Actually....my experience with the punk era was rather middle class (even though I wasn't, or didn't think of myself as). I got to know people from another world. We were pals (and shared a flat in 79 on Montpelier Road) with Tracy of the Molesters (formerly or latterly of the Smartees - Chefs connection there), who had a car and whose dad produced Stranger On the Shore. The parents had a penthouse apartment overlooking Hove Cricket ground and a house and studio in London. One of my best mates (who I met at a gig, and who visited us recently, 45 years later, bless him) was a public school boy. Most of the time I hanged out with a group of girls. My flat mate (in Fulham) from the start of 77 was an extraordinary lad from Hassocks (family with another nice house) who was fearless and gay (and who has the longest relationship with the same partner of all my old pals - 40 years last year, FFS!). But....that was what it was like for me. Pals at art school, or missfits and outcasts from nice families. I didn't see much working class rebellion, to be honest. Maybe that was second wave, and all the followers from Croydon traipsing up and down the King's Road on a Saturday.

It wasn't all Jam (or the Jam) for us though. Traveling around London was risky, but people gave us a massive swerve owing to our appearance. To be honest, we got very little trouble. We had a bit of a to-do with some teds on Wardour street when we went to see the Adverts at the Vortex, but it was nothing, really. Oh, yeah, there was a little 'incident' with a policeman on the Fulham Road where I escaped a beating by the skin of my teeth. But, anyway.

It was a new exciting world for me, a rather spikey but awkward oik from Portslade. Punk was the start of it. That's probably why I get so cross when journalists (and people who should know better, like Nightingale) get it all so horribly wrong.

Cheers!

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

My old man once asked me "What do you want to be when you grow-up?", to which I honestly replied: "The opposite of you." I got a 'clip round the ear', but it was worth it.

He had the mentality of "I left school at 14 and got a proper job [labourer at the old power station in Southwick], and if it was good enough for me, it's good enough for you. Why do you want to go university. It'll be full of poncey types and "queers" learning long words and things that will be no use in the real world."

Lol! Me and mine had physical fights after I turned 15 and decided to fight back rather than accept a 'clip round the ear' for doing nothing. Seems pretty grim, now, but it seemed pretty normal, then.

He was proud of my achievements, though. First in the family to get a degree and later (blow me down) a PhD. Long gone, now. Died when he was exactly the same age as me now.

 

[Peteinblack]

What great experiences and memories, [MENTION=1200]Harry Wilson's tackle[/MENTION]

Total respect!!

 

[METALMICKY]

Wan't a cup of Ovaltine, dad? Do turn off the hall light off, on your way out. Nighty night.

Bit harsh! I just like proper musicians not propelled totally by image and hype. And atop the punk movement a certain John Lyndon who I quite like as he shoots for the hip but then he performs the ultimate sell out by doing TV adverts for butter!

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Wow, only heard a few of those.

I bought this in 78 after hearing some of it on Peel. My missus (who is a fair bit younger than me) saw them play at ATP. Highly original, would have been called punk at the time, but today I'd find it hard to put a lable on it. These were the first American band I had time for after The Tubes. One thing I have learned to avoid (it took me a long time) is to put a lable on anything, unless it is necessary to do so (for example, '****' which, on NSC triggers my reaching for the ignore button ). Give the first two tracks a listen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI-7aLGykzw&t=242s

Right, time I did some stuff. See ya!

 

[studio150]

Just watched episode 1. Some great clips, but not played in full so rather irritating. :

That was the main issue for me as well, although an excuse to play the tracks in full.

While new wave was always a very loose tag, some very strange inclusions.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Bit harsh! I just like proper musicians not propelled totally by image and hype. And atop the punk movement a certain John Lyndon who I quite like as he shoots for the hip but then he performs the ultimate sell out by doing TV adverts for butter!

Your second and third sentences would suggest I was not harsh enough

The thread is about a programme on the punk era (sort of). It isn't very helpful to dig it out. If you are the sort who values music solely by the intricacy of the musicianship, and the immutable consistency of the politics and social attitude of the performer, good luck with that.

Personally, I find Lydon to be a bit doo lally these days. However he's over 60 now. When he was in his 20s he was vital and inspirational. Thoughtful, decisive, frightened of nothing, and on the side of the rightous. I actually saw him as a role model.

In contrast, I can't believe that Clapton still had a career after his racist rant. That won't stop me liking 'Let it Grow' though. Lennon, also, was a cynical exploiter of his 'peace and love' fantasist fans. I still love 'gimme some truth' though.

No offense but maybe you should get out more?

 

[pearl]

Bit harsh! I just like proper musicians not propelled totally by image and hype. And atop the punk movement a certain John Lyndon who I quite like as he shoots for the hip but then he performs the ultimate sell out by doing TV adverts for butter!

John Lydon and his wife (who has been diagnosed with Alzheimers sadly) raised Ari Up's twins after she died so I can't say I blame him doing the butter advert tbh. Easy money, why turn it down?
However, I do find him a bit irritating when he goes on about the B word, but doesn't even live here anymore

 

[METALMICKY]

Your second and third sentences would suggest I was not harsh enough

The thread is about a programme on the punk era (sort of). It isn't very helpful to dig it out. If you are the sort who values music solely by the intricacy of the musicianship, and the immutable consistency of the politics and social attitude of the performer, good luck with that.

Personally, I find Lydon to be a bit doo lally these days. However he's over 60 now. When he was in his 20s he was vital and inspirational. Thoughtful, decisive, frightened of nothing, and on the side of the rightous. I actually saw him as a role model.

In contrast, I can't believe that Clapton still had a career after his racist rant. That won't stop me liking 'Let it Grow' though. Lennon, also, was a cynical exploiter of his 'peace and love' fantasist fans. I still love 'gimme some truth' though.

No offense but maybe you should get out more?

Wow! No offense? You come out with that diatribe purely on the basis that I'm not that keen on a lot of punk. You need to get off the internet and stop being overtly rude.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Wow! No offense? You come out with that diatribe purely on the basis that I'm not that keen on a lot of punk. You need to get off the internet and stop being overtly rude.

You have every right to make your comments about punk and post punk music. I have every right to disagree. Vehemently.

Plus, you sounded like my dad in the 60s going on about long hair layabouts: 'It isn't music, it's just a noise'. I thought it was a rediculous bit of thread derailment.

But I was rude so I apologise for that.

Dad.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjIL15EKb8Q
brings a tear to my eye
Regards
DF

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Annie Nightingale

https://youtu.be/MayDqPq-EQc:hilton:
regards
DF