[Politics] Protests/rioting in lots of places

[Bold Seagull]

that's where your nige comes in, how's that going for you?

Organising an immigration protest without the far right and racists turning up is like organising a protest against eating meat and hoping the vegans stay away.

 

[Bakero]

Just on the bus to Brighton going past the Royal Pavilion. The woman behind us is explaining to her kid that it's a mosque

 

[birthofanorange]

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Just on the bus to Brighton going past the Royal Pavilion. The woman behind us is explaining to her kid that it's a mosque

Nah, it's the Thames Television logo.

 

[Justice]

I used to manage a London based maintenance team and the very idea that you have enough time to build relationships with these tenants to the point where you could ascertain their nationality, what their intention to work is, their medical history and get your work done is frankly laughable!

Also, as someone else pointed out, it's interesting that you have chosen Ukrainian (white) vs Somalian (black) as your comparison countries, and mentioned how clean the Ukrainians are - not trying to drive home a particular narrative are you by any chance??!

I’ve looked after my clients properties for over 15 years. I never once said I don’t like the tenants I’m friendly and have a chat with them just as I would any other customer, rich, middle class, not so well off I treat their homes with the same respect.
Because I go round so frequently I know them by name and they know me.
The point people are bringing up about colour is just daft.
What’s the point of debating if you can’t share life experiences without being accused of racism.
Just yesterday a lovely immigrant called Barb had bought me a can of coke earlier in the day and fridged it for me as she knew I was going round yesterday afternoon and knows I’m partial to a can of coke when working.
So yeah they must really think I’m racist

 

[Peacehaven Wild Kids]

Nah, it's the Thames Television logo.

I couldn’t remember it so I thought I’d search for it. I turned my Redifusion box to 5 just as Mind Your Language to about start but all I got was a thing called LWT

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I couldn’t remember it so I thought I’d search for it. I turned my Redifusion box to 5 just as Mind Your Language to about start but all I got was a thing called LWT

London Weekend Television

 

[Thunder Bolt]

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Just on the bus to Brighton going past the Royal Pavilion. The woman behind us is explaining to her kid that it's a mosque

Yet, a real mosque in Peacehaven (which has been egged) looks like a bungalow.

 

[rogersix]

Of course people want to come here. Compared to many other countries it's not too bad a place. HOWEVER there are far far too many people "coming here". The numbers need to be properly controlled and the British Government needs to be making the decisions about who can come here and who can't, even though they haven't been doing a very good job of that recently.

what is the point you are trying to make?

 

[cheshunt seagull]

You wouldn’t believe the amount of Somalians I see living off the state on my maintenance rounds. They have no intention to work and told me so. Many come for operations and go back home as soon as the NHS have picked up the tab.

One landlord I work for all he wants is immigrant tenants on housing benefit he gets £300 guaranteed a week for a studio flat courtesy of the government, they are happy to live in very basic boxes no bigger than the average bedroom with a shower toilet and small cooking area crammed in.
How the government pay a £300 a week in housing benefit is beyond me, one house as nine of these studios £11k a month and we the tax payer are picking up the tab. There are thousands of similar houses all over London.

To add all the Ukrainian tenants I know all work hard and don’t claim benefits. Lovely polite clean people.

My experience of contact with the well-established Somali community in Camden couldn't be more different than what you describe.

 

[Peacehaven Wild Kids]

Yet, a real mosque in Peacehaven (which has been egged) looks like a bungalow.

We haven’t had any issues of concern out this way and trying not to read anything into this. Kids do tend to “egg” buildings just for shits n giggles, only last year one got luzzed at my front door. Hopefully that’s as far as it goes.

As a bored 12 year old, just for a laugh my mates and I used to shout insults and do bad impersonations based on ‘It Ain’t arf Hot Mum’ at the local Indian takeaway. Occasionally he’d chase us and we’d run like the wind and the boredom would be broken for a few minutes, objective achieved.
We really didn’t mean any harm and luckily soon grew out of it.
(I’m hoping he’d forgotten us six years later when I became his best customer, I hate to havecc be eaten anything…well, you know!)

 

[Peacehaven Wild Kids]

London Weekend Television

Thanks for clearing that up

 

[Curious Orange]

Surely ‘for context’ regarding immigration against population you would need to give that population statistic with the overall net immigration figure? Otherwise there’s no context in relation to immigration.

Think you missed the word "some"

The fact of the matter is that the population of the country has increased by 9 million in less than thirty years. We can, and should, have sensible conversations as to how that increase has happened and whether that is a good thing or not, given that we are told that our services are stretched and that there aren't enough houses being built to accommodate everyone.

I don't know the answer to those questions, but would like to be able to talk about them and get all views without the fear of being accused of racism or bigotry, or anything ending in "ism".

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Think you missed the word "some"

The fact of the matter is that the population of the country has increased by 9 million in less than thirty years. We can, and should, have sensible conversations as to how that increase has happened and whether that is a good thing or not, given that we are told that our services are stretched and that there aren't enough houses being built to accommodate everyone.

I don't know the answer to those questions, but would like to be able to talk about them and get all views without the fear of being accused of racism or bigotry, or anything ending in "ism".

There is a ‘bulge’ of baby boomers like myself following the men coming back from war and born 45-50. We are dying off fairly rapidly now.
Given the birth rate is down to 1:3, we need young people to be working to pay for the old, and soon the population will drop due to us old fogies with one foot in the grave.

 

[The Clamp]

Have we done this?

“Farage riots” is something he has made up.

To what end? We can only speculate.

 

[The Clamp]

You wouldn’t believe the amount of Somalians I see living off the state on my maintenance rounds. They have no intention to work and told me so. Many come for operations and go back home as soon as the NHS have picked up the tab.

One landlord I work for all he wants is immigrant tenants on housing benefit he gets £300 guaranteed a week for a studio flat courtesy of the government, they are happy to live in very basic boxes no bigger than the average bedroom with a shower toilet and small cooking area crammed in.
How the government pay a £300 a week in housing benefit is beyond me, one house as nine of these studios £11k a month and we the tax payer are picking up the tab. There are thousands of similar houses all over London.

To add all the Ukrainian tenants I know all work hard and don’t claim benefits. Lovely polite clean people.

Wait.

So they are risking life and limb to come unchecked into the country, gain access to the NHS and then flee the country avoiding checks?

But somehow they are also staying in government funded homes in the U..K that you maintain for them?

And they smell?


You appear somewhat confused.

 

[Curious Orange]

“Farage riots” is something he has made up.

To what end? We can only speculate.

James O'Brien is quite fond of the phrase, and, as usual, is quite happy to explain why.

 

[The Clamp]

James O'Brien is quite fond of the phrase, and, as usual, is quite happy to explain why.

JOB is a smug know it all with a grating presenting style.

I also suspect he is a deeply unpleasant man with dark skeletons in his closet.

 

[Curious Orange]

There is a ‘bulge’ of baby boomers like myself following the men coming back from war and born 45-50. We are dying off fairly rapidly now.
Given the birth rate is down to 1:3, we need young people to be working to pay for the old, and soon the population will drop due to us old fogies with one foot in the grave.

I'd be interested to see whether that bears out and the proportion of economically inactive people reduces as the baby boomer generation passes away.

I does strike me that the way the welfare state was initially funded was based on faulty assumptions in that it didn't take into account the potential effect of advances in medicine on the average persons lifespan. So the question becomes do you import more working age people to fill the funding gap (how do you assure that there are jobs for them to do? Does care for the economically inactive cover the majority?), or do you attempt to change the way the system is funded and pays out so that it isn't as dependent on there being a critical mass of working age people?

 

[Bry Nylon]

JOB is a smug know it all with a grating presenting style.

This. All day long.

He’s like Nicky Campbell but with Added Nicky Campbell.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I'd be interested to see whether that bears out and the proportion of economically inactive people reduces as the baby boomer generation passes away.

I does strike me that the way the welfare state was initially funded was based on faulty assumptions in that it didn't take into account the potential effect of advances in medicine on the average persons lifespan. So the question becomes do you import more working age people to fill the funding gap (how do you assure that there are jobs for them to do? Does care for the economically inactive cover the majority?), or do you attempt to change the way the system is funded and pays out so that it isn't as dependent on there being a critical mass of working age people?

There are 40,000 vacancies in nursing alone, right now. 70,000 in the NHS in total.
Many asylum seekers start their own businesses once their claim is processed. One Syrian lady loved making cheese, similar to halloumi, selling it on Leeds market. She called it Yorkshire Squeaky Cheese. Several years later, she is employing 12 people.
How many immigrants run shops?

Life isn’t black and white (pun intended) and there are good and bad sides to life. There is no place for bigotry or dehumanising people due to ethnicity.