Protesters scaling the Shard. Hope they fall off.

[Tyrone Biggums]

yes it will. The car will always be required everywhere. The change we can make is in how it is used.

Long live the burn out!

 

[BadFish]

Long live the burn out!

Spoken like a true Geelongian.

 

[Sergei's Celebration]

Trespassing is an act of aggression though.

But not always is conducted aggressively.

 

[teaboy]

By changing do you mean forcing them too change?

I can't ever see a car culture disappearing. People like the freedom cars provide.

It depends what you mean by 'force'. If fuel costs continue to rise people change the way they use it. The "but I need my car" argument becomes lessened if people can use other forms of transport for cheaper than they can drive for. Convenience costs - if the cost outweighs the convenience then people change their actions.

I drive, and like the freedom that having a car brings. I don't drive to work, or the shops, or for short journeys though. Sitting in traffic jams, paying through the nose for the fuel to get somewhere later than if I travel by other means doesn't sound like freedom to me.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

But each of these "identified" oil deposits have different extraction costs, if you've identified a well that costs $80/barrel to extract from it makes sense to look elsewhere for oil that can be extracted for $40/barrel. It doesn't mean all of that oil will definitely be extracted and burnt; if the market price stays at $70/barrel then it'll never be viable to start drilling the more expensive stuff, and the statistic of "all the oil, coal and gas that we've identified" is a bit of a distortion, since we've identified quite a lot that will probably never be extracted (e.g. in Antarctica).

But if the oil companies can force the price of oil up to $110/barrel, it suddenly becomes profitable to drill for the $80/barrel stuff.

People talk about Middle Eastern conflicts being all about getting control of Middle Eastern oil. That's not the whole story. Taking cheap oil out of the equation, because war reduces the number of oilfields that are available, is a way of driving up the price - to the point at which polar oil extraction looks like an affordable deal.

 

[Perry's Tracksuit Bottoms]

In a nation the size of Australia. The car will always be required.

If you had said

In a nation the size of Australia. The car will always be required if we are to continue living as we have done for the last few decades

you would have been right.

 

[BHAZiggy]

And then will people moan about them controlling all the power.

That won't be a problem here in the UK. Moaning and complaining is a hobby for a large proportion of the population so giving us something to moan about will keep us happy.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

If you had said

In a nation the size of Australia. The car will always be required if we are to continue living as we have done for the last few decades

you would have been right.

Wrong.

To get to a lot of country towns the only way to get there is by car.

 

[BadFish]

Wrong.

To get to a lot of country towns the only way to get there is by car.

..........'if we continue living as we have done for the last few decades". The point he is making is that changes can be made.

 

[LargeHadronZugzwang]

Long live the burn out!

Oh Lordy. The car is going to be around forever? Maybe for the wealthy. The trouble with so many who subscribe to personal transport, is that they are content to put petrol into their cars and not think as to where this stuff comes from. Do these people think the oil companies are going to be setting up petrol stations on asteroids soon? Chew on these facts;

1. 60% of the oil we use comes from giant fields (so called Elephants) that are over 40 years old
2. Ghawar the largest oil field is dying and has to has to have millions of gallons of seawater pumped into it to keep it alive
3. The Chinese are building 25 million cars in the next five years
4. By 2030 it is almost certain that production will be halved if not more, depletion is inevitable
5. At peak in 1999 North Sea oil was 4 million+ barrels per day, it is now down by 64%
6. The World uses 30 billion barrels of oil per year

 

[goldstone]

Oh Lordy. The car is going to be around forever? Maybe for the wealthy. The trouble with so many who subscribe to personal transport, is that they are content to put petrol into their cars and not think as to where this stuff comes from. Do these people think the oil companies are going to be setting up petrol stations on asteroids soon? Chew on these facts;

1. 60% of the oil we use comes from giant fields (so called Elephants) that are over 40 years old
2. Ghawar the largest oil field is dying and has to has to have millions of gallons of seawater pumped into it to keep it alive
3. The Chinese are building 25 million cars in the next five years
4. By 2030 it is almost certain that production will be halved if not more, depletion is inevitable
5. At peak in 1999 North Sea oil was 4 million+ barrels per day, it is now down by 64%
6. The World uses 30 billion barrels of oil per year

By the time the oil runs out man will have discovered a workable alternative, no problem. We are pretty smart creatures. So don't worry about driving your car a few more miles.

 

[teaboy]

By the time the oil runs out man will have discovered a workable alternative, no problem. We are pretty smart creatures. So don't worry about driving your car a few more miles.

Only if there is support for the search for any alternatives. If people/governments continue to put all their eggs into one (albeit different) basket then we'll fail.

 

[Nibble]

"Six protesters are attempting to scale the tallest building in western Europe, The Shard.

Greenpeace said it was protesting against Shell's Arctic drilling, which the oil company said was "not new"."


Some of these people are real idiots.

So Shell are drilling in the Arctic? Good. We need more oil. The Arctic is vast and unused. A little bit of drilling is not going to be a problem.

Fishing or you are an utter naïve ****

 

[Nibble]

In a nation the size of Australia. The car will always be required.

Why do you need cars in the great **** all? The only people that live out there are rapists and the Abo's you keep in perpetual poverty . I've seen The Flying Doctors. You can't pull the wool over my eyes Bigums.

 

[Mutts Nuts]

Given how corrupt and bullying the oil industry is I fully support Greenpeace this time. Seriously, why the hell do we intend to ruin one of the few relatively untouched habitats on the planet in our greed for oil ?

Why do you think the yanks are so intereted in Mars,they know that in around 200 years time this planet will be polluted beyond recovery, and unable to sustain human life

 

[BHAZiggy]

Why do you think the yanks are so intereted in Mars,they know that in around 200 years time this planet will be polluted beyond recovery, and unable to sustain human life

I think that you'll find they're looking much further into the future than that. Eventually the sun will explode and devour the Earth so space travel is essential if the human race wants to live beyond that point. Mars is a stepping stone as we learn how to travel between stars.

 

[goldstone]

Fishing or you are an utter naïve ****

Neither. Just happen to have an opinion different from your own it would appear. Sorry about that, but people having different views on things is what makes the world an interesting place.

 

[Nibble]

Neither. Just happen to have an opinion different from your own it would appear. Sorry about that, but people having different views on things is what makes the world an interesting place.

That's fair. Your opinion is proven to be moot though, just so you know.

 

[Tricky Dicky]

I think that you'll find they're looking much further into the future than that. Eventually the sun will explode and devour the Earth so space travel is essential if the human race wants to live beyond that point. Mars is a stepping stone as we learn how to travel between stars.

Jeez. That's 4 billion years off, our sun is only half way through it's life. I doubt anyone is planning quite that far ahead just yet (although I'm sure the lib dems have plans ifor it n their next manifesto, which they won't stick to)

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

..........'if we continue living as we have done for the last few decades". The point he is making is that changes can be made.

What changes can connect such a vast amount of towns in such a large continent?