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Protecting the FA Cup
- Thread starter The Optimist
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portlock seagull
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- Jul 28, 2003
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The problem of the FA cup goes far wider than the FA or England. It's FIFA AND UEFA. They don't want any but the very biggest sides (by that I mean richest...so anyone that's got money eg Chelsea rather than say Steau B.) playing each other week in week out. Hence the creation of the Champions cough League. At that moment, the FA Cup became fifth priority. There's also not a cat in hells chance UEFA-FIFA would allow a team outside those they want to see play in the Champions League even if the FA cup winnners were granted entry. The risk of eg Coventry, Wimbledon, Portsmouth, Wigan etc winning and qualifying to play Barcelona etc would be deemed too high risk. Don't forget this is BUSINESS. They don't want TV audiences watching that. Who the feck in China has heard of 2004 finalists Millwall? Jesus Christ people, can you imagine if they'd have won how much CASH might have been lost to UEFAs Smaug-like hoard? Billions might not have watched the following seasons CL early rounds meaning less marketing collateral. This is why the 'level-playing field' was tilted 90 degrees back in the mid 90s.
I'm afraid the FA cup will never be what it once was. The game is run by corporate sociopaths who are never satisfied by their greed. They own all the rights to their ball. Including who plays with it.
I'm afraid the FA cup will never be what it once was. The game is run by corporate sociopaths who are never satisfied by their greed. They own all the rights to their ball. Including who plays with it.
Kalimantan Gull
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What I'm more intrigued about is why teams need to rest their entire first team. Is there any evidence that a cup run hurts a promotion bid?
Pavilionaire
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- Jul 7, 2003
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If you did that you'd totally devalue hard-fought points won in a league and, in turn, devalue promotion and relegation.
There is no way to fix the FA Cup without devaluing other competitions.
Arkwright
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The format of the cup has worked well for decades, clubs are resting players for possible financial gain in the league.
The only way you can force clubs not to make changes is to either issue big fines or deduct points. Problem with this is too many governing bodies FA, Premier and FL.
Sadly it's become more about money than pride.
The only way you can force clubs not to make changes is to either issue big fines or deduct points. Problem with this is too many governing bodies FA, Premier and FL.
Sadly it's become more about money than pride.
Neville's Breakfast
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For the people who run the game, yes.
For us the fans though it can be all about the pride. Personally I have no interest in discussions about transfer fees and player wages. That includes such discussions on NSC. Yesterday was a great FA Cup day out at a sold out ground and that's all that matters. The money men can't take that away.
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Can it start any earlier? There are so many qualifying rounds it might not be possible. I agree with ditching the league cup, it makes sense to do one cup properly rather than two half arsed.
Gets you relegated......
Kalimantan Gull
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Yes I suppose we are the last club to talk about that... although of course it was a first.....
warmleyseagull
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Good question and answer as far as Championship is concerned is equivocal because there has been a paucity of top Championship teams reaching the later stages of FA Cup for a considerable period. The competition seems to be polarising into 'shock teams' who play first team players and the very top teams whose second teams are good enough to beat anyone.
But take Lincoln - they are still in FA Trophy and will have 7 games in 22 days from 14 jan to 4 feb; already two games off the pace in NL, with FGR and Daggers on their heels. Albion are already having to patch up the first team with no recognised RB and only one attacker against Cardiff, surely we don't want to risk injury, tiredness, loss of form, suspension on other players?
Hindsight:
I saw David Beckham's debut and felt cheated that Ryan Giggs did not play at the Goldstone.
Then at Old Trafford, I wished Ryan Giggs was taken off before the last minute.
I think playing a few reserves helps the lower club to try and play football like Wycombe. However, the fans want to see the big stars in the flesh. Lincoln will.
PS: this season, I got the draw I wanted and we still lost (rather than Lincoln winning it).
Two own goals in recent games is worrying.
I saw David Beckham's debut and felt cheated that Ryan Giggs did not play at the Goldstone.
Then at Old Trafford, I wished Ryan Giggs was taken off before the last minute.
I think playing a few reserves helps the lower club to try and play football like Wycombe. However, the fans want to see the big stars in the flesh. Lincoln will.
PS: this season, I got the draw I wanted and we still lost (rather than Lincoln winning it).
Two own goals in recent games is worrying.
Alan Shearer critical of FA Cup team selection as Premier League clubs make changes
Clubs making wholesale changes are "cheating fans" out of an FA Cup run, according to BBC pundit Alan Shearer.
Championship sides facing lower-league opposition rotated players, with Leeds making 10 changes, while Brighton and Newcastle made nine.
Is he right? Has he got a point? Who cares?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38788645
Clubs making wholesale changes are "cheating fans" out of an FA Cup run, according to BBC pundit Alan Shearer.
Championship sides facing lower-league opposition rotated players, with Leeds making 10 changes, while Brighton and Newcastle made nine.
Clubs care about money while fans care about trophies. That's very unfortunate,
It's just crazy, I don't understand it. I'm all for bringing kids into the team but not seven or eight of them. Six rounds from the third round to the final, it's not asking a lot is it?
Is he right? Has he got a point? Who cares?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38788645
What is cheating the fans more, playing the fringe players against a cup side, or potentially risking promotion/relegation.
Why should a team that wins 7 games get a place in the CL over a side that has got in the top 4 over the course of the season?
Er, that's the whole point! To give all clubs that incentive and therefore get them to take it seriously, rather than just the big clubs that can afford to.
portlock seagull
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- Jul 28, 2003
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You tell me. I didn't say they did.
Certain clubs wont take it seriously no matter what you throw in, even if you weigh up the CL riches - £30 millionish a season, it still doesn't match up to the riches from staying in the PL/getting promoted - £70/£80 million - plus the following seasons money.
As pointed out, the only way to improve the FA cup is by devaluing the league/s.
How about removing one of the Automatic promotion places for the Championship and give them to the Championship team that goes the furthest, that would make the Championship teams take it seriously.
The timing of the FA cup is all wrong, round 3 is in the busiest time of the season, which means clubs will rest players after playing 4 games in 10 days - move it to an earlier week.
Postman Pat
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Scrap the early qualifying rounds and base entry on league finishing position to get it down to the right number. Would mean less dead rubbers in the lower leagues at the end of the season.
Scrap replays so the blank mid-weeks are not required - Extra time and penalties straight away.
Play the 3rd round before xmas.
nicko31
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Cup shocks just aren't the same now. The Leeds exit of 82 places was up there with Newcastle Hereford, Man U Bournemouth, just really just isn't a big deal anymore
A CL spot is really the only fix out there, but it won't happen the PL is just too powerful now
A CL spot is really the only fix out there, but it won't happen the PL is just too powerful now