Always love how some people think there is this such definite line down the middle with 'lefties' on the left of it and 'righties' on the right. Such a black and white view when life is really much more a shade of grey.
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Always love how some people think there is this such definite line down the middle with 'lefties' on the left of it and 'righties' on the right. Such a black and white view when life is really much more a shade of grey.
Mr Russell-Moyle welcomed discussion about changing the lyrics, but said: “We mustn’t over-react. We’ll end up creating some fabricated culture war when there doesn’t need to be one.”
He said he believes anthems can help “bind people together” and said he was “worried about anyone just trying to remove the lyrics without more positive conversation about what represents modern Britain”.
He added: “There are legitimate reasons why you would want to change them. I find God Save The Queen an absolute dirge to tell the truth.”
What part do you take issue with?
Ironically those that fall for it are often the ones who are likely to be struggling too. Traffic wardens, drivers and the long term unemployed for example.
Lincoln Imp
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- Feb 2, 2009
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Forgive me for not wading through the thread but it's a lovely day.
As I expect has been said, Rule Britannia has wonderfully flowery lyrics and was first performed more than 250 years ago to support a spat with the Spanish, who had apparently been enslaving Britons (hence the slave line) and predates by more or less a century the creation of the British Empire.
I like it, but don't take it too seriously. It's a bit of fun, a lovely period piece. I do understand African and other 'children of Empire' not getting the joke though and they shouldn't be taken for granted. The context of the lyrics should be emphasised when it is performed. There is a way forward on this that is sensible and considered and needn't involved frightened white men in a panic.
Having said all that, I look at the attempts of the Mail and Express and their allies in this disreputable little government, cheered on by hordes of screeching social media warriors, to turn this into yet another one-side-versus-the-other culture war and I just feel tired. Tired of them and of what we are becoming. Let's talk about something else.
As I expect has been said, Rule Britannia has wonderfully flowery lyrics and was first performed more than 250 years ago to support a spat with the Spanish, who had apparently been enslaving Britons (hence the slave line) and predates by more or less a century the creation of the British Empire.
I like it, but don't take it too seriously. It's a bit of fun, a lovely period piece. I do understand African and other 'children of Empire' not getting the joke though and they shouldn't be taken for granted. The context of the lyrics should be emphasised when it is performed. There is a way forward on this that is sensible and considered and needn't involved frightened white men in a panic.
Having said all that, I look at the attempts of the Mail and Express and their allies in this disreputable little government, cheered on by hordes of screeching social media warriors, to turn this into yet another one-side-versus-the-other culture war and I just feel tired. Tired of them and of what we are becoming. Let's talk about something else.
Indeed.
It is the most vociferous on either side who just can't ease back on their entrenched positions that create and encourage this constant bish-bashing.
Alternatively, one could say that it is often those with the most entrenched positions who are frequently the most vociferous.
Tolerance is sadly a victim in all of this, as is seen in the media and on NSC.
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Greg Bobkin
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- May 22, 2012
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Snowflake.
larus
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Sorry, maybe I was wrong about that. I read it somewhere and accept I could be mistaken.
However, the general points stand. He was not some angelic, upstanding citizen, although, as I stated originally, this does not justify what happened to him. I see you haven’t addressed the fact that numerous black people distance themselves from the BLM Marxist movement.
Thanks for admitting you were wrong. You might want to think about where you get your news from.
I'm not too sure what you mean about the general point standing. When a citizen who poses no threat at that moment is killed by a policeman, the victim's past is not relevant. To call the reaction "faux outrage" is ridiculous. What's more, Floyd's death was a catalyst but not the root cause of the protests.
BLM is a global movement, made up of many disparate groups, united behind a common goal of racial justice. I don't think we need to worry about them organising a proletariat revolution.
None of it! He speaks a lot of sense. I couldn’t give less of a shit about anthems, LNATP or similar tbh.
Ah, sorry, I misunderstood. I thought it seemed very sensible too.
Doc Lynam
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- Jun 19, 2011
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Hopefully the BBC and England supports will stop singing the propaganda song Rule Britannia. This song like statues has a context and what may have been good for the rich to tell the poor of England 200 years whatever happens you're British, this maybe not be appropriate anymore given the exploitation we committed across the empire during this period and shortly before.
Jerusalem is a much better song that high lights our country's contradictions and miss use of power, which every empire does this isn't just us. Its a case of when do actually grow up and face that we never were a glorious empire for millions of people.
Jerusalem is a much better song that high lights our country's contradictions and miss use of power, which every empire does this isn't just us. Its a case of when do actually grow up and face that we never were a glorious empire for millions of people.
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Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
Are the egg chasers going to cease Swing Low?
crodonilson
He/Him
Land of Hope and Glory now number one on iTunes chart. How terribly sad and a kick in the teeth to all the BLM protestors, I bet the likes of Lewis Hamilton are ashamed of their country right now.
Baker lite
Banned
The right and Honourable member for Bermondsey and Southwark seems to have some interesting thoughts....
https://twitter.com/coyleneil/status/1298387748634734594?s=21
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Baker lite
Banned
Land of Hope and Glory now number one on iTunes chart. How terribly sad and a kick in the teeth to all the BLM protestors, I bet the likes of Lewis Hamilton are ashamed of their country right now.
Good old Dame Vera, a true National treasure.
On a more personal note, I believe Lewis Hamilton should be more ashamed of driving for company that was profiteering from slavery in living memory...
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Johnson's much-aired interview on this began with the words "they're trying to stop me saying this.... ".
I mean, who is? The political left? Ridiculous, when the Tories have control of half the press. The BBC? Well, they reported it as much as anyone. His own party? Unlikely. His own advisors? Possibly. But we know the PM puppet only opens his mouth when Cummings' desperately needs a distraction.
So what he's done is create a completely fictitious enemy. You know - 'them'. Those 'dangerous' individuals who want to strip us of all our freedoms in pursuit of totally unreasonable demands like, erm, equality and meritocracy. Giving everyone a fair shot at life, not just old Etonians.
And those who stand to suffer the most fall for it. Every. Single. Time.
I mean, who is? The political left? Ridiculous, when the Tories have control of half the press. The BBC? Well, they reported it as much as anyone. His own party? Unlikely. His own advisors? Possibly. But we know the PM puppet only opens his mouth when Cummings' desperately needs a distraction.
So what he's done is create a completely fictitious enemy. You know - 'them'. Those 'dangerous' individuals who want to strip us of all our freedoms in pursuit of totally unreasonable demands like, erm, equality and meritocracy. Giving everyone a fair shot at life, not just old Etonians.
And those who stand to suffer the most fall for it. Every. Single. Time.
Land of Hope and Glory now number one on iTunes chart. How terribly sad and a kick in the teeth to all the BLM protestors, I bet the likes of Lewis Hamilton are ashamed of their country right now.
Maybe we should organise a Take the Knee flash mob to protest this injustice.
The Lego Stand
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- Jul 5, 2020
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All aboard the woke bandwagon!! Don't recall a problem about the singing of RB in the many previous years it was sung, why is it suddenly an issue now. It's history we can't just erase it to appease BLM. They won't be happy until Stormzy is involved in the proms rapping about 'injustice' and taking a knee for that vile scumbag who started this whole ridiculous movement in the first place.
Baker lite
Banned
Land of Hope and Glory now number one on iTunes chart. How terribly sad and a kick in the teeth to all the BLM protestors, I bet the likes of Lewis Hamilton are ashamed of their country right now.
The bait has been cast, I wonder how many nibbles you’ll get...