[Football] Professional Football Players - COVID Vaccinations

[Mackenzie]

...?

https://youtu.be/Ujxk8M2ZTjE

Power to the people!

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Had a chat about this to someone who was heavily involved with the COVID. Basically the timescales were compressed but that actual testing was the same. The reason other vaccines have taken longer was that the necessity to move faster wasn’t there, nor was the money to do. COVID changed that.
Necessity the Mother of invention.


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[Deportivo Seagull]

Google's your friend

I would argue that in his case it very much isn’t!!


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[GT49er]

Tired argument. If you are not allowed to make decisions that could harm someone else, then you pretty much couldnt make any decisions at all.

Dr. "Mr. Swan, you have an infected appendix. It needs to come out before it bursts - if it bursts it could cause peritonitis, which is quite likely to be fatal."

Mr. Swan "Nah, I'm not having any of that crap, doctors are all just part of the establishment. They're all liars. I make my own decisions. Give me a spliff and I'm out of here."

Yeh, you should be fine ........................

 

[Swansman]

Dr. "Mr. Swan, you have an infected appendix. It needs to come out before it bursts - if it bursts it could cause peritonitis, which is quite likely to be fatal."

Mr. Swan "Nah, I'm not having any of that crap, doctors are all just part of the establishment. They're all liars. I make my own decisions. Give me a spliff and I'm out of here."

Yeh, you should be fine ........................

I would make the decision to let them remove it.

Google's your friend

Highly surprisingly, there appears to be multiple characters named Wolfie.

 

[Driver8]

I would make the decision to let them remove it.



Highly surprisingly, there appears to be multiple characters named Wolfie.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Nobody should be forced into taking any medicine - it's a fundamental freedom to decide what goes into your body. I'm not anti-vax but I can fully understand those that are nervous of having the jab ... especially given the speed it was developed and approved. I'm double jabbed but it was MY choice to be so. But how do we know it's safe ? After all there was a treatment in the 1970s for morning sickness that was all approved etc .... look how that turned out in later years ! Read the bit of paper in off the shelf drugs and you probably wouldn't take them.

So, regardless of their privilage and money ( and I'm really not sure why that should make and difference ) footballers should have the choice the same as the rest of us and I have no issue with those that don't have the jab.

It would appear jab shaming has become the new mask shaming.

The treatment for morning sickness was Thalidomide and it was the early 60s, a decade earlier. It is still prescribed now, for leprosy and is very effective. The main difference 50 years later, is that doctors check if the patient may be in the first trimester of pregnancy.

Everything in life is a risk. Taking the pill, or being pregnant significantly adds to the risk of blood clots, but nobody has said I won’t get married or have sex because it might kill me. Men are luckier than women in that instance.

My own personal opinion is those who refuse inoculations ( apart from a very few who have well known health risks) is that they’re cowards.
The risks of a reaction to an inoculation is thousands of times smaller than that risk.

 

[GT49er]

Nobody should be forced into taking any medicine - it's a fundamental freedom to decide what goes into your body.

Yes, of course it's your freedom - but it's conditional. If you want to visit certain countries, you have to be vaccinated against various diseases - and it's been that way for a long time. Always been choice - refuse to have a jab? Right, you're not going there on your holibobs - that's the consequence of your choice.
Similarly, no reason why conditions can't apply to footballers - you choose for yourself if you want to have the jab; at the same time you'll be deciding whether you want to play football or not. Still complete freedom of choice.
Care home workers can - and some have - given up their £400pw jobs to seek other employment rather than have the compulsory jabs. I'm sure footballers - if their principles are strong enough - will be willing to quit their £40,000pw jobs and seek alternative employment - or are they a specially disadvantaged group compared to care home workers?

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/metr...s-for-all-world-cup-footballers-15284988/amp/

‘Qatar wants mandatory Covid-19 vaccinations for all World Cup footballers’

I’m sure the objections will melt away amongst ‘elite’ players when this circus begins.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Nobody should be forced into taking any medicine - it's a fundamental freedom to decide what goes into your body. I'm not anti-vax but I can fully understand those that are nervous of having the jab ... especially given the speed it was developed and approved. I'm double jabbed but it was MY choice to be so. But how do we know it's safe ? After all there was a treatment in the 1970s for morning sickness that was all approved etc .... look how that turned out in later years ! Read the bit of paper in off the shelf drugs and you probably wouldn't take them.

So, regardless of their privilage and money ( and I'm really not sure why that should make and difference ) footballers should have the choice the same as the rest of us and I have no issue with those that don't have the jab.

It would appear jab shaming has become the new mask shaming.

Good Clinical Practice, the framework of clinical research, underwent one of its biggest changes as a result of the Thalidomide disaster. The Kefauver/Harris Amendments required an unprecedented program of accountability from manufacturers. Before marketing any new drug , manufacturers were now required to supply majorly enhanced proof of effectiveness and proof of safety and manufacturing. You can’t compare them with now.

As for the speed of testing and approval no corners were cut. It went through the usual processes. What was cut out was all the gaps between the different phases of testing and the regulatory approval which is usually done after the event was done partially via a “rolling review” When the vaccine hit the shelves it had gone through all the same processes as all other drugs.

I agree with your thoughts on mandatory vaccination. And mask wearing. But if you don’t do one or the other you should expect to lose some freedoms.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Good Clinical Practice, the framework of clinical research, underwent one of its biggest changes as a result of the Thalidomide disaster. The Kefauver/Harris Amendments required an unprecedented program of accountability from manufacturers. Before marketing any new drug , manufacturers were now required to supply majorly enhanced proof of effectiveness and proof of safety and manufacturing. You can’t compare them with now.

As for the speed of testing and approval no corners were cut. It went through the usual processes. What was cut out was all the gaps between the different phases of testing and the regulatory approval which is usually done after the event was done partially via a “rolling review” When the vaccine hit the shelves it had gone through all the same processes as all other drugs.

I agree with your thoughts on mandatory vaccination. And mask wearing. But if you don’t do one or the other you should expect to lose some freedoms.

Covid19 is a SARS virus, and a lot of work had already been done with that vaccine. The DNA of the 19 virus was added, and tested on volunteers like [MENTION=1320]Notters[/MENTION]. That’s why it was produced quickly.
As you said, no corners were cut.

As an aside, I had my annual flu jab this morning.

 

[Machiavelli]

A few quite clearly sucked in by social media. There isn't much more to say.

My suspicion is that it's not social media that's doing it. It seems to be very prominent within the football playing community (perhaps particularly at the elite level?).
What could generate that? Agents circulating stories that it'll hinder their performance levels is my first wild stab in the dark.

 

[Brighton & Love]

I agree with your thoughts on mandatory vaccination. And mask wearing. But if you don’t do one or the other you should expect to lose some freedoms.

I don't see the problem with using the Irish Souperism tactics of old. It fed starving kids food, so why not use the same tactic again but this time save everyone?

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Covid19 is a SARS virus, and a lot of work had already been done with that vaccine. The DNA of the 19 virus was added, and tested on volunteers like [MENTION=1320]Notters[/MENTION]. That’s why it was produced quickly.
As you said, no corners were cut.

As an aside, I had my annual flu jab this morning.

Can I ask how long you have been having the annual flu jab TB ? Also, have you ever caught flu when jabbed ? I ask because I had it for the first time last year and am booked in at the end of this month. I am really hoping it continues to provide good protection.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Can I ask how long you have been having the annual flu jab TB ? Also, have you ever caught flu when jabbed ? I ask because I had it for the first time last year and am booked in at the end of this month. I am really hoping it continues to provide good protection.

I had my first flu jab in 1968 in the forces, and had a reaction which lasted 24 hours. That was possibly because I had a bad bout of flu in 1967.

I’ve had the regular annual flu jab for over 20 years now, and not caught flu in all that time.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

I don't think being stoned is their reason.

Being thick, is more likely.

Exactly.

 

[clapham_gull]

Can I ask how long you have been having the annual flu jab TB ? Also, have you ever caught flu when jabbed ? I ask because I had it for the first time last year and am booked in at the end of this month. I am really hoping it continues to provide good protection.

I got flu every year, sometimes very badly for over 10 years. The worst time about ten years I was sign off work for a fortnight.

In the few months before the start of the UK pandemic I'd had bad flu type symptoms three times completely knocking me out. I went to Spain at the end January for a week to try and rest and recover.

Because I'd been so ill I was actually "locked down" a good fortnight before anyone else, because the doctors were worried about my immune system.

Last year was my first flu jab and I've been fine ever since. Obviously with social distancing the likelihood has been dramatically decreased but I'll never go another winter without a flu jab.

Only wished I'd started having it years ago.

 

[Brighton & Love]

Exactly.

I agree too. He's bang on with that conclusion. Everyone who's refusing to get vaccinated is thick. I love that. Keep it coming in. Those thick, narrowed minded vaccine refusers are completely dumb. Every single one of them!

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

I had my first flu jab in 1968 in the forces, and had a reaction which lasted 24 hours. That was possibly because I had a bad bout of flu in 1967.

I’ve had the regular annual flu jab for over 20 years now, and not caught flu in all that time.

Thank you, comforting to hear. In those twenty years I have had several bad bouts of flu whilst unvaccinated. Glad I began the annual jab last year.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

I got flu every year, sometimes very badly for over 10 years. The worst time about ten years I was sign off work for a fortnight.

In the few months before the start of the UK pandemic I'd had bad flu type symptoms three times completely knocking me out. I went to Spain at the end January for a week to try and rest and recover.

Because I'd been so ill I was actually "locked down" a good fortnight before anyone else, because the doctors were worried about my immune system.

Last year was my first flu jab and I've been fine ever since. Obviously with social distancing the likelihood has been dramatically decreased but I'll never go another winter without a flu jab.

Only wished I'd started having it years ago.

Comforting as well CG. A similar story to me but sounds like you had it worse. Like you I have been wondering whether the Covid measures of the past year have contributed to the protection but TB’s story does rather confirm your experience.