[Misc] Poverty just now

[Boroseagull]

It's a really funny thing Ian.
There weren't any food banks at all back when Labour were last around to do anything about it.
Now we have over 2,500. What a record
And we will still have people slagging off the Opposition. No idea what they will do - but anything will improve on this load of bastds

Just to set the record straight this from HoC Library. I seem to remember Labour as the government then.

The Trussell Trust opened its first UK food bank in 2000 and operates over half of food banks in the country. IFAN represents food banks outside the Trussell Trust and since 2020 has been collecting data from them across the UK. Both the number of food banks and the quantity of emergency food parcels they distribute has increased over time, with the exception of a partial drop after the Covid-19 pandemic subsided.

 

[CHAPPERS]

CEO pay up 23% oi oi

 

[Nobby]

Just to set the record straight this from HoC Library. I seem to remember Labour as the government then.

The Trussell Trust opened its first UK food bank in 2000 and operates over half of food banks in the country. IFAN represents food banks outside the Trussell Trust and since 2020 has been collecting data from them across the UK. Both the number of food banks and the quantity of emergency food parcels they distribute has increased over time, with the exception of a partial drop after the Covid-19 pandemic subsided.

I do humbly apologise there was at least 3 when the Tories took over

Just to set the record straight this from HoC Library. I seem to remember Labour as the government then.

The Trussell Trust opened its first UK food bank in 2000 and operates over half of food banks in the country. IFAN represents food banks outside the Trussell Trust and since 2020 has been collecting data from them across the UK. Both the number of food banks and the quantity of emergency food parcels they distribute has increased over time, with the exception of a partial drop after the Covid-19 pandemic subsided.

 

[Nobby]

Just to set the record straight this from HoC Library. I seem to remember Labour as the government then.

The Trussell Trust opened its first UK food bank in 2000 and operates over half of food banks in the country. IFAN represents food banks outside the Trussell Trust and since 2020 has been collecting data from them across the UK. Both the number of food banks and the quantity of emergency food parcels they distribute has increased over time, with the exception of a partial drop after the Covid-19 pandemic subsided.

Again for clarification and again I apologise for the duff info

in 2010/11 - 61,468 people received three days of emergency food

in 2021/22 - 2,173,158 people received three days of emergency food

 

[beorhthelm]

foodbanks existed in some form for decades and exist around the world, US, France, Germany, Japan. they are one charitable, uncoordinated attempt to address a need, focusing on them seems to miss the point, why they would be needed in the first place.

do we want to simply have government providing food stamps, or hand outs of rations to ensure people can eat?

 

[mikeyjh]

Again for clarification and again I apologise for the duff info

in 2010/11 - 61,468 people received three days of emergency food

in 2021/22 - 2,173,158 people received three days of emergency food

Yeah, but they probably spent all their money on booze, Sky TV. And they sell their stuff from the food bank in the pub, probably.

 

[LamieRobertson]

It's a really funny thing Ian.
There weren't any food banks at all back when Labour were last around to do anything about it.
Now we have over 2,500. What a record
And we will still have people slagging off the Opposition. No idea what they will do - but anything will improve on this load of bastds

Ummm not quite true they did exist ..but I don’t think anyone would disagree that there had been exponential growth over the past decade

 

[rogersix]

Starmer and co seem to be full of good intentions, but will they deliver or make the same mistakes as the Tories?

Worthing is an apparent affluent area in the South East but my daughter who volunteers at the local food bank says they've got over 15,000 local people using this service now, replicate that around the country but in the arguably 'poorer areas' and we've got a poverty epidemic, which in the 21st century is nothing short of disgusting.

that's philosophy for you, len

 

[rogersix]

It’s bad enough in NY with the haves and have nots . I never thought I would see such extremes in the UK & certainly not in the south east .

why not?

 

[Baldseagull]

im not clear what the expected solution is. we have a welfare system, thats apparently not enough. we have additional grants and payments for people, thats not enough. there are problems with cost of housing, and now cost of energy pressing, not enough assistance there. when i look abroad i see no country immune to these issues, none have a solution. where is the fresh thinking coming from?

There is not one single solution, but the overriding principle should be fair taxation, fair pay, and sensible Government spending.
Ensuring that companies like Amazon that can destroy existing businesses with their model, then pay the full whack in tax that the businesses they killed off once did. Making CEO's salary capped relative to staff pay, so that companies that are not paying a living wage cannot pay a CEO a fortune because they successfully got the wage bill down, whilst those employees have to claim state benefits to top up their wage.

 

[Pevenseagull]

On the subject of food banks a friend involved in them has reported a massive drop off in donations of late as those who typically give the most are now skint. Somewhat unsurprisingly rich people generally give less in donations to food banks and when they do it's very often porridge oats.

 

[vegster]

On the subject of food banks a friend involved in them has reported a massive drop off in donations of late as those who typically give the most are now skint. Somewhat unsurprisingly rich people generally give less in donations to food banks and when they do it's very often porridge oats.

Its despairing on multiple levels, prices going up means that people donate less and. there are less people donating as they swap from being contributors to users. I have been donating £20 a month to the Trussel Trust for a few years and they are always desperate to get me to increase my monthly payment simply because my £20 does not buy the same amount of food as six months ago. Could I give more ? probably yes but, I'm not getting a pay rise anytime soon and my real earnings are reducing thanks to 14% food inflation and ridiculous energy bills.

Jeremy Hunt announced that " Hard decisions lie ahead "... obviously said decisions won't directly affect Jeremy in any way but, could be the breaking point for many.

 

[sparkie]

Starmer and co seem to be full of good intentions, but will they deliver or make the same mistakes as the Tories?

Worthing is an apparent affluent area in the South East but my daughter who volunteers at the local food bank says they've got over 15,000 local people using this service now, replicate that around the country but in the arguably 'poorer areas' and we've got a poverty epidemic, which in the 21st century is nothing short of disgusting.

We don't know the answer to that, but the one thing we do know is that they couldn't possibly be any worse than the current lot.

So at absolute worst they will be the same.

Which seems like a non-lose gamble.

 

[dazzer6666]

Unfortunately, this government sees food banks and charities as the solution to what they have caused.

Awful situation where the most vulnerable are at the mercy of those benefitting from the wealth distribution - we are heading back to the 1800's

Rees-Mogg never left

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

On the subject of food banks a friend involved in them has reported a massive drop off in donations of late as those who typically give the most are now skint. Somewhat unsurprisingly rich people generally give less in donations to food banks and when they do it's very often porridge oats.

I wrote a huge post, re-read it, it sounded too wordy for a simple message.

I just leave it as, I despair.

 

[dejavuatbtn]

The pot was empty when the tories took over and will have a hole in it when they get the boot. Not a pot to piss in. Desperate times for far too many. The care system has collapsed too. Dickensian times are not, apparently, just for Christmas.

 

[Questions]

It's a really funny thing Ian.
There weren't any food banks at all back when Labour were last around to do anything about it.
Now we have over 2,500. What a record
And we will still have people slagging off the Opposition. No idea what they will do - but anything will improve on this load of bastds

Hey come on under the Tories we have many more food banks to help the poor people…. It’s a success story .

 

[Cornwallboy]

Another Tory mess. And they still have some fools believing it’s not their fault AND that a labour government would be worse.

Plough the Tory’s and their voters into a ditch.

I'm not defending the Tory's but seriously you'd advocate 'ploughing Tory's and their voters into a ditch'? Seriously? Inflicting likely physical harm to someone who represents and / or votes Conservative?

 

[rigton70]

I do humbly apologise there was at least 3 when the Tories took over

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Might have something to do with the 10m+ of population increase in the last 20 years.

 

[wuntbedruv]

I feel the same. I watched a BBC article about Grimsby and the false hope of Brexit. There were numerous people in the piece saying they were let down/lied to by the Tories and they were now worse off than before; because of this most said they would not vote at the next election. What use will this do?

That is the master plan, hundreds of years of struggle for the emancipation of working men and women lost in a generation by media trivialisation of politics, by the narrative that "they are all the same" by denigrating decent politicians and smearing the left with accusations of extremism and antisemitism knowing damn well that if the working class don't vote the blue rinse Brigade will be out in force to keep the tories in.