[Football] Potter [NOT] at Chelsea

[Guinness Boy]

9th with Potter = he must have been shit, all down to the recruitment and development
9th (which I think is the table position ignoring the results with GP in the beginning of the season) with RDZ = great manager who improved the team

I don't get that equation honestly.

According to northstandchatian mythology, Pervis is better than Cucurella, RDZ better than Potter, Mitoma better than Trossard/whoever he could be compared with, Fergie better than Maupay... yet despite getting rid of all these people "holding the club back", Brighton appear to be strolling towards the same league position as last year.

Isn't that weird?

Only thing that has really changed is that 1) the team is crushing worse teams and 2) the boys can't buy a win against a reasonably in-form team. Used to be the opposite. Still 3 points isn't worth more against Bournemouth or Everton than they are against Manchester United or Arsenal.

The "improvement" part is also interesting. I saw the 5-2 win against Leicester as a warm-up ahead of the game against the same lot a couple of weeks ago. One of the games was a fierce, excellent performance with the team outplaying and beating the opponent firmly... and it sure wasn't the game after the "improvements".

I think this blogger - https://tweetingseagull.wordpress.com/2023/02/07/the-cult-of-the-individual/ - is spot on. If it was a cult before, then what it is it now with people (out of anger, grief and hope) inventing a reality that isn't there.

Tremendous amount of spin in that post. But then what do you get if you cross Potter with his Swedish fanboy? Graham Swann.

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

9th with Potter = he must have been shit, all down to the recruitment and development
9th (which I think is the table position ignoring the results with GP in the beginning of the season) with RDZ = great manager who improved the team

I don't get that equation honestly.

According to northstandchatian mythology, Pervis is better than Cucurella, RDZ better than Potter, Mitoma better than Trossard/whoever he could be compared with, Fergie better than Maupay... yet despite getting rid of all these people "holding the club back", Brighton appear to be strolling towards the same league position as last year.

Isn't that weird?

Only thing that has really changed is that 1) the team is crushing worse teams and 2) the boys can't buy a win against a reasonably in-form team. Used to be the opposite. Still 3 points isn't worth more against Bournemouth or Everton than they are against Manchester United or Arsenal.

The "improvement" part is also interesting. I saw the 5-2 win against Leicester as a warm-up ahead of the game against the same lot a couple of weeks ago. One of the games was a fierce, excellent performance with the team outplaying and beating the opponent firmly... and it sure wasn't the game after the "improvements".

I think this blogger - https://tweetingseagull.wordpress.com/2023/02/07/the-cult-of-the-individual/ - is spot on. If it was a cult before, then what it is it now with people (out of anger, grief and hope) inventing a reality that isn't there.

But we have improved, there is no doubt about that. It's up to RDZ to keep that improvement going now.

Last season we were 9th after 22 games

9

Brighton and Hove Albion

22

6

12

4

23

23

0

30

This season we are 8th and have games in hand over most of the teams around us

8

Brighton and Hove Albion

22

10

5

7

39

29

10

35

We've scored a massive 16 more goal, yes we've let in more as well, but we've been taking more risks and not wanted to settle for a draw.

Your point about the two Leicester games has no baring on how much we have or haven't improved either, football is not about just one result or we could point out that Potter couldn't beat Chelsea in 6 attempts yet De Zerbi managed it first time.

 

[Swansman]

Tremendous amount of spin in that post. But then what do you get if you cross Potter with his Swedish fanboy? Graham Swann.

Never heard of. It must be either some character from Eastenders, a cricket player, a world champion in dart or some other type of entity who won't cut it overseas.

 

[seagullwedgee]

I’ve been on here for 18 years. And I’ve just done my very first ’Ignore’ ever. No prizes.

 

[Swansman]

But we have improved, there is no doubt about that. It's up to RDZ to keep that improvement going now.

Last season we were 9th after 22 games

9

Brighton and Hove Albion

22

6

12

4

23

23

0

30

This season we are 8th and have games in hand over most of the teams around us

8

Brighton and Hove Albion

22

10

5

7

39

29

10

35

We've scored a massive 16 more goal, yes we've let in more as well, but we've been taking more risks and not wanted to settle for a draw.

Your point about the two Leicester games has no baring on how much we have or haven't improved either, football is not about just one result or we could point out that Potter couldn't beat Chelsea in 6 attempts yet De Zerbi managed it first time.

If the team has improved compared to at this point last season... yes. Was the case with Graham, is also the case with Roberto. The improvement from RDZ to GP? Could you do a table for GPs final 16-17 games and RDZs first 16-17 games? Surely is the fairest comparison given the similarities of squads etc?

 

[Paxton Dazo]

@Tom Hark Preston Park one for you..

The Chelsea sing.. I don’t know why..

You know the rest

 

[Lenny Rider]

2-0 Spurs.

Looks grim for Potter. In true Potter style, he will no doubt already be looking for others to blame….

He already has, playing the death threat card at his presser on Friday.

 

[Guinness Boy]

If the team has improved compared to at this point last season... yes. Was the case with Graham, is also the case with Roberto. The improvement from RDZ to GP? Could you do a table for GPs final 16-17 games and RDZs first 16-17 games? Surely is the fairest comparison given the similarities of squads etc?

But equally, Potter now has a “better” squad according to the measure many on here use - cost of squad. And is doing FAR worse

 

[Swansman]

But equally, Potter now has a “better” squad according to the measure many on here use - cost of squad. And is doing FAR worse

Yup. Funny how the world works.

If results are all about the manager then...

Potter's last 13 league games:
P13 W8 D3 L2 F25 A9 PTS 26

RDZ's first 13 league games:
P13 W5 D3 L5 F26 A22 PTS 18

(bit outdated as RDZ now has 15 or 16 (?) games in charge but just stole the numbers someone posted here a while ago.

Surely if the "better manager, better results" thing is true, then Chelsea would be close to relegation with RDZ in charge and Brighton would be a very serious contender for a top 4 position with Graham in charge?

Football is a bit more complicated than that though.

 

[Driver8]

Seeing as he dumped us the day the queen died it would be very funny if doesn’t even manage to stay long enough to see the coronation.

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

If the team has improved compared to at this point last season... yes. Was the case with Graham, is also the case with Roberto. The improvement from RDZ to GP? Could you do a table for GPs final 16-17 games and RDZs first 16-17 games? Surely is the fairest comparison given the similarities of squads etc?

It isn't a far comparsion though is it. Because Potters final 16-17 games come after over 3 years of building the squad and working with those players. For De Zerbi it's a new job and a getting to know you process for everyone, him, his coaching staff, our players. It doesn't prove anything at all.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

It isn't a far comparsion though is it. Because Potters final 16-17 games come after over 3 years of building the squad and working with those players. For De Zerbi it's a new job and a getting to know you process for everyone, him, his coaching staff, our players. It doesn't prove anything at all.

Exactly, it really isn’t that difficult……. @Swansman ‘more technical’ my backside. I would say the ‘eyes’ have it…..

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

He should absolutely. Everyone should. Always.

It is the right way of watching things. But for those of us who are more technically minded than emotionally minded, it just becomes a bit mind-boggling at times.

Sorry but wtf has being more technically minded got to do with it?

Hughton kept us up. I however stopped going to away games as I knew what I'd be watching every game irrelevant of the result, a turgid display every game. I remained a ST holder but at home under Potter was the same. Now we move the ball so much quicker, we move through the zones with purpose both at home and away. We are in a good position in the league and most games are a joy to watch.

 

[Swansman]

It isn't a far comparsion though is it. Because Potters final 16-17 games come after over 3 years of building the squad and working with those players. For De Zerbi it's a new job and a getting to know you process for everyone, him, his coaching staff, our players. It doesn't prove anything at all.

There is no 100% fair comparison. But comparisons are being made and I think that is no less fair than comparing the Brighton side of the last year with the one struggling at home two years ago or GPs first "bang average" season, which are often referred in the GP vs RDZ debate.

 

[Mancgull]

4000 signatures

In fairness one of those was my vote!

Up to 8.5k now

 

[Mackenzie]

Chelsea lost again I see

hahaha


Unlucky Graham

 

[chickens]

Even with the long-term agreement reached with Todd, Potter must have realised he wasn’t going to get the luxury of a long run of losses/draws unopposed.

I suspect he might just survive tonight’s result, but a loss in either of the next two matches will finish him.

There’s no love for Potter among the fan base, and i can’t see him generating an impressive enough run of results that would grant him a real reprieve. As soon as Chelsea next lose a match, he’s going to have the fans on his back again.

It’s a situation largely of his own making, but I can still muster a thimble’s worth of sympathy for the devil. He’s aged visibly in the few months he’s been at Chelsea, and threats against his family are horrific.

 

[Swansman]

Sorry but wtf has being more technically minded got to do with it?

Hughton kept us up. I however stopped going to away games as I knew what I'd be watching every game irrelevant of the result, a turgid display every game. I remained a ST holder but at home under Potter was the same. Now we move the ball so much quicker, we move through the zones with purpose both at home and away. We are in a good position in the league and most games are a joy to watch.

The ball is not moving much quicker than in the last six months with GP and there's not more "purpose" now than there was then. IMHO.

Team has played well for 3.5 years. Results have improved in the last 12 months. League position has been fine for longer than that.

All of which is great.

The only thing that has changed is how history is viewed. During the GP days there was a lot of threads with people saying "I haven't seen Brighton play this well in my 252 years as a fan", then he left and now the past has changed to "Brighton played turgid, boring, slow football".

Depending on the future, the perception of the games we're seeing now may also change. Suddenly "Lewis Dunk stands on the ball before passing it to Caicedo who passes it to Webster who stands on the ball and passes it to Caicedo" perhaps won't be that much more thrilling than the "Dunk to Webster to Veltman to Dunk to Webster to Veltman" which is often how GPs team - as an afterthought - is now frequently described to have played.

 

[trueblue]

The ball is not moving much quicker than in the last six months with GP and there's not more "purpose" now than there was then. IMHO.

Team has played well for 3.5 years. Results have improved in the last 12 months. League position has been fine for longer than that.

All of which is great.

The only thing that has changed is how history is viewed. During the GP days there was a lot of threads with people saying "I haven't seen Brighton play this well in my 252 years as a fan", then he left and now the past has changed to "Brighton played turgid, boring, slow football".

Depending on the future, the perception of the games we're seeing now may also change. Suddenly "Lewis Dunk stands on the ball before passing it to Caicedo who passes it to Webster who stands on the ball and passes it to Caicedo" perhaps won't be that much more thrilling than the "Dunk to Webster to Veltman to Dunk to Webster to Veltman" which is often how GPs team - as an afterthought - is now frequently described to have played.

Way off the mark. After the initial slow pace to keep possession and draw the press, the ball is moved forward much faster - ideally through a sequence of one touch passes. Around the edge of the box there’s far less ‘fannying about’, as I believe the experts call it.

Potter certainly didn’t play turgid football but it’s also undeniable that De Zerbi has added more of an attacking edge. In return, we’re less sound defensively. Most of us will accept that trade off I think.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

The ball is not moving much quicker than in the last six months with GP and there's not more "purpose" now than there was then. IMHO.

Team has played well for 3.5 years. Results have improved in the last 12 months. League position has been fine for longer than that.

All of which is great.

The only thing that has changed is how history is viewed. During the GP days there was a lot of threads with people saying "I haven't seen Brighton play this well in my 252 years as a fan", then he left and now the past has changed to "Brighton played turgid, boring, slow football".

Depending on the future, the perception of the games we're seeing now may also change. Suddenly "Lewis Dunk stands on the ball before passing it to Caicedo who passes it to Webster who stands on the ball and passes it to Caicedo" perhaps won't be that much more thrilling than the "Dunk to Webster to Veltman to Dunk to Webster to Veltman" which is often how GPs team - as an afterthought - is now frequently described to have played.

You're posting crap once more. That's my perception and consider myself a good judge.