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mile oak

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May 21, 2023
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so bored of hearing about this ok had to turn bbc radio 5 off becasue they couldnt stop yapping on about it today
 




Leekbrookgull

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Jul 14, 2005
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Leek
Couple of points, remote control well i am no savvy person on software but even i know that R/C has been around 20+ years and it been done on our P/C. As for Ed Davey although it's unlikely hopefully a recall petition is set-up for him to face.
 


Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
I don’t read Private Eye but was always very aware of this. From the beginning it stank of a huge miscarriage, these were intelligent, respected folk, shellshocked, explaining to the media their innocence. In big numbers. Due legal process and all that, but it was obvious they were innocent. Suicides and premature deaths due to ill health followed.

I hope this all gets sorted for them within months. Generous compensation, convictions quashed, Royal Mail heads (not just Pennell) to face their own justice.
Many of those convicted need their convictions overturned. The lady in Hampshire is a cleaner because she couldnt get another job.
 




Ooh it’s a corner

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Aug 28, 2016
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so bored of hearing about this ok had to turn bbc radio 5 off becasue they couldnt stop yapping on about it today
eh??

the story is truly appalling - a major injustice has been taking place and needs to be ‘righted’ as far as it can be and as quickly as possible.

it is exactly the sort of story people need to know about!
 




PILTDOWN MAN

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so bored of hearing about this ok had to turn bbc radio 5 off becasue they couldnt stop yapping on about it today
Incredible
 




Deportivo Seagull

I should coco
Jul 22, 2003
5,472
Mid Sussex
so bored of hearing about this ok had to turn bbc radio 5 off becasue they couldnt stop yapping on about it today
Can’t decide whether this is a wind up and you’re sitting at your PC cracking one off because you think you’re funny … or that you are just a weapons grade prick. However, after consideration it is clear that you are both.
 




GT49er

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so bored of hearing about this ok had to turn bbc radio 5 off becasue they couldnt stop yapping on about it today
A while back Bozza removed a particuar function and NSC became a better, nicer place as a result - but occasionally, just occasionally, it's return might be justified.......

So: 👎
 


PILTDOWN MAN

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A while back Bozza removed a particuar function and NSC became a better, nicer place as a result - but occasionally, just occasionally, it's return might be justified.......

So: 👎
:wanker: would be better
 






Eeyore

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PC_leafe

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May 21, 2023
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A small minority of these people may genuinely be guilty of something. Our justice system is at stake if all of these people have their convictions over-turned en masse. None of them should fast track the legal system its there for everyone no exceptions. There are always injustices and these must all be looked at in full but no jump to conclusions. I fully support this government and hope Rishi is not bearing to pressure from the public to act en masse and quickly. What about every other case of appeal? No one has a right to claim their case is any more worthy of review than the next person. That is out justice system. We all play a part,mine is catching ppl believed to have committed but the courts decide and over-turn convictions not political parties or political pressure groups or social media campaigns etc., that is completely wrong.
 


Shropshire Seagull

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Nov 5, 2004
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Telford
Couple of points, remote control well i am no savvy person on software but even i know that R/C has been around 20+ years and it been done on our P/C. As for Ed Davey although it's unlikely hopefully a recall petition is set-up for him to face.
Not remote control, remote access. IT support staff can't do their jobs without remote access to live data.

I don't believe the PO truly thought Fujitsu did not have live data access.
 




sydney

tinky ****in winky
Jul 11, 2003
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town full of eejits
yet another example of the establishment shitting on the little guy....knowingly and deliberately , to feather its own nest and protect it's reputation .
 


GT49er

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Feb 1, 2009
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A small minority of these people may genuinely be guilty of something. Our justice system is at stake if all of these people have their convictions over-turned en masse. None of them should fast track the legal system its there for everyone no exceptions. There are always injustices and these must all be looked at in full but no jump to conclusions. I fully support this government and hope Rishi is not bearing to pressure from the public to act en masse and quickly. What about every other case of appeal? No one has a right to claim their case is any more worthy of review than the next person. That is out justice system. We all play a part,mine is catching ppl believed to have committed but the courts decide and over-turn convictions not political parties or political pressure groups or social media campaigns etc., that is completely wrong.
Totally disagree. The only justification for that view is to ensure as many solicitors and barristers collect their £200+ an hour for as many hours as possible. The main argument the abolitionists put forward for the end of the death penalty was that occasionally an innocent person would be executed. very fair point.

IF 700 odd convictions are quashed en mass, without lawyers and barristers raking in their usual bounty, it is only the lawyers and barristers that will lose out, not the justice system. If (and it's a bloody big if) a handful of those who have their convictions quashed had actually stolen a few quid, that is still justice. Remember the statue (and the essence) of justice has the sword of retribution in one hand and the scales of justice in the other.

OK, which side of the scales of justice are you on? A minimal number of people get away with stealing a few quid (a pathetically small amount compared to what the Post Office has stolen) or more people die in poverty and despair before they are justly cleared. If your priority is dragging it on until every case has been pored over by well paid legal eagles happily hitching their fortunes to the justice system gravy train, lining their pockets with hundreds of thousands of pounds - well, if that's your idea of justice, well, justice is f***ed.
 


Greg Bobkin

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May 22, 2012
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so bored of hearing about this ok had to turn bbc radio 5 off becasue they couldnt stop yapping on about it today
Thoughts and prayers at this difficult time for you.
 


jakarta

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May 25, 2007
15,738
Sullington
Don't think mile oak has read the room very well... :facepalm:

Edit - I hope you have signed the petition to strip Vennells of her CBE, well past a million I believe.
 




Sergei's Celebration

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Jan 3, 2010
3,650
I've come back home.
A small minority of these people may genuinely be guilty of something. Our justice system is at stake if all of these people have their convictions over-turned en masse. None of them should fast track the legal system its there for everyone no exceptions. There are always injustices and these must all be looked at in full but no jump to conclusions. I fully support this government and hope Rishi is not bearing to pressure from the public to act en masse and quickly. What about every other case of appeal? No one has a right to claim their case is any more worthy of review than the next person. That is out justice system. We all play a part,mine is catching ppl believed to have committed but the courts decide and over-turn convictions not political parties or political pressure groups or social media campaigns etc., that is completely wrong.
You are about as wrong as anyone could be, and judging by your username and post, this is very worrying.

Firstly the job of a police officer is to protect the public and to investigate crime, not catching people... investigating crime. There's a subtle difference where one leads to justice and the other to the arrest of both the innocent and the guilty.

As said above the base of our justice is that it is better for the guilty to walk free than the innocent to be convicted. So it is better the innocent SPMs get their convictions quashed quickly (if 20 years can be considered quick!) than the potential for guilty people to have their convictions quashed.

Lastly the I don't think anyone is jumping to conclusions regarding SPMs, to acknowledge there are injustices but suggest people shouldn't jump to conclusions (again 2 decades in) reflects the wider issues with the police and the judiciary.
 


ROSM

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Dec 26, 2005
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Just far enough away from LDC
It has classic hallmarks of Hillsborough. Heads need to roll over this. Its (frankly) astonishing that after all this time, its taken an ITV drama to get the spotlight on it to get the ball moving again.
You make a great point. Hillsborough also took a tv dramatisation to raise the public awareness of the wrongdoing and to light fires under people in power. (I am not being political as hillsborough same as this has politicians of all hues with some element of responsibility)

Television when done well can tell stories, provide human insight and explain facts in a way very few other media can.
 


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