[Film] Post Film Discussion Star Wars TLJ WARNING don’t view will contain spoilers

[The aloof gatekeeper]

So Kylo Ren has posted his review of the film...

 

[Hugo Rune]

Well I thoroughly enjoyed it, actually I loved it. After the disappointment of TFA being a remake of New Hope, I was relieved this one wasn’t a remake of Empire (although it had it’s moments). This is a top 3 SW film, have no doubt.


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[Acker79]

Have to disagree. Luke always was a bit of a dick right? In ANH, he's all bumping into people bars, stropping out with his guardians because he can't go shopping with his mates, teenage dizzy over a girl in a hologram, saying stupid lines like 'I'm Luke Skywalker I'm here to rescue you'. Petulant annoying spoilt brat in ESB when Yoda is trying to train him. Then suddenly a full on pretentious guru in RotJ - when we think of how powerful Jedi are, he makes a right balls up in Jabba's palace for example.

I think they got this grizzled old man, a hero and legend of the galaxy a status that he feels he barely deserves, messes up the training of his nephew, tries to go into hiding where he stews on how little he knows or understands about the force, how the Jedi were wrong all along to think they could just control the force and bring peace to the galaxy. I thought Yoda's appearance and light chuckle at him for being 'the same old Luke' was brilliant, but actually the solitude, the disconnection with the force has led to an understanding and appreciation of it that allows him to do something monumental, a final act of sacrifice that required all the power and potential he never fulfilled, and he saves the resistance. I think this mirrors the solitude both Obi Wan and Yoda experienced that allowed them to reappear after death through the force.

Luke was always flawed. It would have been wrong to make Luke some wise Yoda like character who suddenly trains Rey and he and she save the galaxy or whatever. We have to remember Luke is or was so flawed it needed Obi Wan to convince Yoda to train in him in the first place. If you really watch ANH again, this really is the person the young Luke was going to grow up to be.

Totally agree. It's interesting to see people criticise Rey for similar traits to Luke. I saw someone complaining, as with TFA about Rey's incredible development with the force. When it was noted Luke had a similar aptitude well, that was simply a sign that Luke was special, not your average Jedi. Rey is special, too!

Also with Luke, the same person was arguing that it was so out of character for Luke to have a fleeting moment of thinking about killing someone. He never once tried to kill Vader. Completely ignoring both the dual with Vader in Bespin in ESB, and the fact that Luke totally loses it when dualling with Vader in RotJ and only stops wailing on a fallen Vader after chopping his hand off.

There's also the "The force awakens was just a retread of the original film, why don't they do something different" now becomes "why didn't they do it more like the original films?"

 

[Buzzer]

Just on the first train out of Victoria having seen a midnight showing at the Imax. Got to say that I think I must have seen a different film to most of you.

That was quite brilliant. Definitely in my top 3 Star Wars films.

 

[Seaber]

If he can summon objects without effort, surely he'd be able to open up a couple of space barn-doors.

I'm not asking why he didn't tackle the order solo, just make a little escape out of one room.

It's a lot harder to pick an electronic lock with no training than it is to pick up a broom.

 

[beorhthelm]

Just on the first train out of Victoria having seen a midnight showing at the Imax. Got to say that I think I must have seen a different film to most of you.

That was quite brilliant. Definitely in my top 3 Star Wars films.

sleep deprevation plays tricks with the mind.

(i liked it in parts)

 

[HastingsSeagull]

Awful. I want to read through this thread properly and give more opinion but we just won and I'd rather not right now. 1/10 as BB8 was cool for kids.

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

Well I thoroughly enjoyed it, actually I loved it. After the disappointment of TFA being a remake of New Hope, I was relieved this one wasn’t a remake of Empire (although it had it’s moments). This is a top 3 SW film, have no doubt.


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I know it’s all opinions... but how was it better than Rogue One let alone any of originals?

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

I have just seen the film and I am incredulous at all the negativity I have read on this thread. Star Wars the Last Jedi rates an 86 out of 100 and secures a top 10 films of 2017 position. 10 points were gained from the battle on the salt planet. That was as good a scene as the 9 films has ever produced. For me it was the best film of the last 6. The story was strong and the action good.

A lovely farewell tribute to Carrie Fisher, some poignant words from her in the film bearing in mind what happened to her a few months later. Luke, C3PO, R2 D2, Chewbacca, the Millenium Falcon in all its glory, what was not to love ? Do not get the negativity I have read from many. Terrific effort !

It had everything a star wars fan could wish for

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Well I thoroughly enjoyed it, actually I loved it. After the disappointment of TFA being a remake of New Hope, I was relieved this one wasn’t a remake of Empire (although it had it’s moments). This is a top 3 SW film, have no doubt.


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I agree. I thought it was Terrific

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Just on the first train out of Victoria having seen a midnight showing at the Imax. Got to say that I think I must have seen a different film to most of you.

That was quite brilliant. Definitely in my top 3 Star Wars films.

I agree Buzzer. Unbelievable to me some people seem to hate it. It was GREAT !

 

[Buzzer]

I agree Buzzer. Unbelievable to me some people seem to hate it. It was GREAT !

Yup. There were one or two odd moments that didn't fit (milking the walrus, Princess Leia doing a Superman impression) but these were minor compared to a film that had 30 minutes of superb action to start, was driven by story and character development thereon in until the last hour where the action scenes were breath-taking. The characters that had come across as a bit drippy in the Force Awakens - Kylo, Finn, even Princess Leia all came to life in this film. The reveal about who was really Rey's parents was a brilliant twist. The cute characters weren't overused and the humour was genuinely funny and necessary as a way of breaking the tension every now and then.

And a big fault with the new generation Star Wars films has been the way that they've hyped certain characters in the trailers and marketing only for them to have bit parts. Darth Maul is a classic example, General Grievous another and in the Force Awakens the female Storm Trooper commander. They put that right in this film. Don't forget that the director for the latest film had no hand in the last and it was clear that he wasn't too impressed with the Snoke character so killing him off was probably the best and cleanest thing to do if the plan is to have a massive showdown between Rey and Kylo Ren in the final part of the trilogy.

Was it too long? Possibly the casino bit could have been cut but I didn't feel like the film dragged at all. You're right. It was great.

 

[Jim Van Winkle]

Carrie Poppins

I still feel a little dazed and confused about this movie and don’t know whether to love it or hate it.

The jury’s still out - I am going to have to watch TLJ again.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

I agree Buzzer. Unbelievable to me some people seem to hate it. It was GREAT !

Maybe because as always with the Liberal Hollywood dip shits these days they inject politics into something that never had it before and doesn't need it now.

Then there's the fact they shit all over many beloved Star Wars characters. Everyone I know who loves it doesn't know crap about the Star Wars Universe nor has any emotional attachment to the franchise.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

It had everything a star wars fan could wish for

No it didn't.

Star Wars fans don't wish for lame arse love stories and political statements.

This has that muppet Kennedy's finger prints all over it.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Only she isn't. Thought she understood Ren - failed. Couldn't save the resistance, only take a few tie fighters with her, Luke saves the resistance - failed. She is conflicted, went straight for the dark side - failed. If you really knew what a Mary Sue was after banging on about it for 2 years you'd b able to go into the cinema with an open mind.

Luke knew Yoda, Obi Wan, even Leia and yet both Ren & Rey have more force power than he's ever felt. You therefore have to accept that the force maybe impacting on Rey and Ren differently than any other force person before.

We'll never agree of course, but just the parallel of Luke feeling the good in his father and surrending to the emperor, Rey gets it completely wrong with Ren. Rey is a flawed character, she therefore cannot be a Mary Sue.

She absolutely is a Mary Sue. This video explains how she is without any doubt one.

 

[sussex_guy2k2]

Maybe because as always with the Liberal Hollywood dip shits these days they inject politics into something that never had it before and doesn't need it now.

Then there's the fact they shit all over many beloved Star Wars characters. Everyone I know who loves it doesn't know crap about the Star Wars Universe nor has any emotional attachment to the franchise.

Sorry what? You don’t think there’s ever been politics in Star Wars? Have you seen any of the films before TFA? Or do you just not know what politics is as a concept?

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Sorry what? You don’t think there’s ever been politics in Star Wars? Have you seen any of the films before TFA? Or do you just not know what politics is as a concept?

Sorry what?

Star Wars was always Good V Evil and the eternal struggle between it. How many times do you need for them to mention the light and the dark side to comprehend that?

I've seen all the previous films many a time, this film has Hollywood Liberal shitlordery written all over it like nothing ever in the SW world. A view that is being shared by many people of all walks of life.

Obvious is obvious.

 

[BadFish]

Sorry what?

Star Wars was always Good V Evil and the eternal struggle between it. How many times do you need for them to mention the light and the dark side to comprehend that?

I've seen all the previous films many a time, this film has Hollywood Liberal shitlordery written all over it like nothing ever in the SW world. A view that is being shared by many people of all walks of life.

Obvious is obvious.

Lets face it though TB you could find liberal shitlordery at the Tory party conference.Seek and you shall find.

 

[Hugo Rune]

I know it’s all opinions... but how was it better than Rogue One let alone any of originals?

In a nutshell, I was looking for originality. I’m a Star Wars fan who wants new stories not just the repeated scenes and themes we got in TFA.

As others have said, this movie explores characters in a way adults can relate to, not just kids. Here are some highlights for me:

1. The sexual/love/hate tension between Kylo Ren and Rey. Very subtle but it was there.

2. The death of Luke Skywalker. Seeing the demise of my childhood hero left me in tears but the realisation that my son will have a new hero (Rey) and a female one at that was very moving.

3. The whole questioning of the Jedi religion, tradition and training was very interesting.

4. Big spaceships and space battles - love em!

5. The traditional ‘all American hero’ who is a maverick (like Trump) but ‘gets the job done chief’ was shown up as foolhardy and inconsiderate of the affect that awful decisions have on other people. A real antidote to 80’s zeitgeist films like Top Gun but also the original 3 movies.