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HellBilly
What does it say as link does not work for me in Lancing ? maybe due to lots of chem trails today !! or interference from the southwick tunnel !
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Possible bad news for a B777 [Malaysian MH370]
- Thread starter kingcole
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What does it say as link does not work for me in Lancing ? maybe due to lots of chem trails today !! or interference from the southwick tunnel !
Hillian1
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chris goodfellow
Shared publicly - Mar 14, 2014
MH370 A different point of view. Pulau Langkawi 13,000 runway.
A lot of speculation about MH370. Terrorism, hijack, meteors. I cannot believe the analysis on CNN - almost disturbing. I tend to look for a more simple explanation of this event.
Loaded 777 departs midnight from Kuala to Beijing. Hot night. Heavy aircraft. About an hour out across the gulf towards Vietnam the plane goes dark meaning the transponder goes off and secondary radar tracking goes off.
Two days later we hear of reports that Malaysian military radar (which is a primary radar meaning the plane is being tracked by reflection rather than by transponder interrogation response) has tracked the plane on a southwesterly course back across the Malay Peninsula into the straits of Malacca.
When I heard this I immediately brought up Google Earth and I searched for airports in proximity to the track towards southwest.
The left turn is the key here. This was a very experienced senior Captain with 18,000 hours. Maybe some of the younger pilots interviewed on CNN didn't pick up on this left turn. We old pilots were always drilled to always know the closest airport of safe harbor while in cruise. Airports behind us, airports abeam us and airports ahead of us. Always in our head. Always. Because if something happens you don't want to be thinking what are you going to do - you already know what you are going to do. Instinctively when I saw that left turn with a direct heading I knew he was heading for an airport. Actually he was taking a direct route to Palau Langkawi a 13,000 foot strip with an approach over water at night with no obstacles. He did not turn back to Kuala Lampur because he knew he had 8,000 foot ridges to cross. He knew the terrain was friendlier towards Langkawi and also a shorter distance.
Take a look on Google Earth at this airport. This pilot did all the right things. He was confronted by some major event onboard that made him make that immediate turn back to the closest safe airport.
For me the loss of transponders and communications makes perfect sense if a fire. There was most likely a fire or electrical fire. In the case of fire the first response if to pull all the main busses and restore circuits one by one until you have isolated the bad one.
If they pulled the busses the plane indeed would go silent. It was probably a serious event and they simply were occupied with controlling the plane and trying to fight the fire. Aviate, Navigate and lastly communicate. There are two types of fires. Electrical might not be as fast and furious and there might or might not be incapacitating smoke. However there is the possibility given the timeline that perhaps there was an overheat on one of the front landing gear tires and it blew on takeoff and started slowly burning. Yes this happens with underinflated tires. Remember heavy plane, hot night, sea level, long run takeoff. There was a well known accident in Nigeria of a DC8 that had a landing gear fire on takeoff. A tire fire once going would produce horrific incapacitating smoke. Yes, pilots have access to oxygen masks but this is a no no with fire. Most have access to a smoke hood with a filter but this will only last for a few minutes depending on the smoke level. (I used to carry one of my own in a flight bag and I still carry one in my briefcase today when I fly).
What I think happened is that they were overcome by smoke and the plane just continued on the heading probably on George (autopilot) until either fuel exhaustion or fire destroyed the control surfaces and it crashed. I said four days ago you will find it along that route - looking elsewhere was pointless.
This pilot, as I say, was a hero struggling with an impossible situation trying to get that plane to Langkawi. No doubt in my mind. That's the reason for the turn and direct route. A hijack would not have made that deliberate left turn with a direct heading for Langkawi. It would probably have weaved around a bit until the hijackers decided on where they were taking it.
Surprisingly none of the reporters , officials, other pilots interviewed have looked at this from the pilot's viewpoint. If something went wrong where would he go? Thanks to Google earth I spotted Langkawi in about 30 seconds, zoomed in and saw how long the runway was and I just instinctively knew this pilot knew this airport. He had probably flown there many times. I guess we will eventually find out when you help me spread this theory on the net and some reporters finally take a look on Google earth and put 2 and 2 together. Also a look at the age and number of cycles on those nose tires might give us a good clue too.
Fire in an aircraft demands one thing - you get the machine on the ground as soon as possible. There are two well remembered experiences in my memory. The AirCanada DC9 which landed I believe in Columbus Ohio in the eighties. That pilot delayed descent and bypassed several airports. He didn't instinctively know the closest airports. He got it on the ground eventually but lost 30 odd souls. In the 1998 crash of Swissair DC-10 off Nova Scotia was another example of heroic pilots. They were 15 minutes out of Halifax but the fire simply overcame them and they had to ditch in the ocean. Just ran out of time. That fire incidentally started when the aircraft was about an hour out of Kennedy. Guess what the transponders and communications were shut off as they pulled the busses.
Get on Google Earth and type in Pulau Langkawi and then look at it in relation to the radar track heading. 2+2=4 That for me is the simple explanation why it turned and headed in that direction.
Smart pilot. Just didn't have the time.
surrey jim
Not in Surrey
It was a broken link. Try this: https://plus.google.com/106271056358366282907/posts/GoeVjHJaGBz
But, in short, something like a fire happened on the plane, the pilot had turned towards the nearest and most accessible airport to where they were but they probably ran out of oxygen and passed out and the plane would have kept flying on autopilot until it either ran out of fuel or the fire caused the plane to come down.
Tom Hark Preston Park
Will Post For Cash
- Jul 6, 2003
- 72,327
This was the problem with the link 'http://https://' (need one or t'other but not both) but its pasted now anyways
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HellBilly
This sounds like the winner.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 36,015
odd that no landings are possible in Pakistan... bit odd. too much on where it could land, assumes you want to land nicely.
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HellBilly
Damn your right, just when I thought we had cracked it !!
Hillian1
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What if, the ACARS system was shut down by the fire before the Pilot radioed "Good night" to Malay ATC, then on realisation of the fire he shut down everything electrical he could, including transponder, while making the turn.
I have no idea, but this at least sounds rational, and that's the way my brain likes things.
No, no. CLEARLY the plane was carrying a biological weapon that had been transported from the Maldives and a troupe of Chinese weapons scientists (who's cover story was they were artists). The US needed to perform an emergency extraordinary rendition for SOME KIND OF REASON so it activated its sleeping CIA agent / Malaysian pilot who knocked his crew out with SOMETHING and did a sharp left just as if he was heading for the nearest safe airport as a false flag. Having paid off the whole of Indonesia and blanked out the Malay media the plane was flown to Diego Garcia and made, along with it's crew, passengers and cargo, to disappear in to thin air with a puff. The US were so keen to cover this up they allowed the Wall St Journal access to satellite data. Much more convincing. And logical. *buys bacofoil*
daveinprague
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Aliens was my favourite theory.
sydney
tinky ****in winky
it's all very intriguing isn't it...?? how , in this day and age do we manage to miss-place 150 tonnes of metal and plastic with 250 people on board...
not to mention the black -box which is supposed to be indestructible and tamper proof.....
not to mention the black -box which is supposed to be indestructible and tamper proof.....
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HellBilly
it's all very intriguing isn't it...?? how , in this day and age do we manage to miss-place 150 tonnes of metal and plastic with 250 people on board...
I can see people in Hollywood licking their lips and counting the cash as we type, we all know Tom Cruise will be the star, at least they wont have to make him
stand on a box when shooting close ups this time.
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sydney
tinky ****in winky
cruise , colin farrell , jude law , don cheadle ....maybe even room for mr.winston , or chris hemsworth......
Normal Rob
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Isn't it just Tom who satnds on a box, and this time he won't have too?
Underground island a la James Bond, complete with fold out landing strip, BTW. This plane is just the first. Not quite sure what the evil masterminds big plan is yet though, but i'll get there.
RandyWanger
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was thinking about the Russians space pen as I was reading the article!Tooting Gull
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- Jul 5, 2003
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It's hard to remember a case where they are so many fantastic but almost plausible explanations to a mystery. Not since some of the classic Scooby Doo episodes, anyway.