Police gathering at St Peter's Church, Brighton

[shellsuit]

You are just stirring trouble. Shut it. Anyone who has seen the videos can clearly see that white chavs are involved too. In Upton Park the turkish shop owners fought back and beat off these criminals. And I am not a 'leftie' at all. Have you seen the video of the brave black woman trying to intervene.... You are trying... like many people will...to attempt to provoke disharmony to further your racist views. You are despicable.

before posting your rubbish why not quote me in full instead of just taking a snippet and try reading it first..........i said the word MAJORITY not ALL.....yes white chavs are involved too that is why why i said MAJORITY not ALL .look it up in the dictionary you may find it useful.......all the media are talking about the black youth involvement even Dianne Abbot was disgusted the way the black community has acted so go scream racist at someone else like all you types do when the conversation gets difficult and wake up to the fact that these matters need to be discussed preferably without people like you who cant see past your own rose tinted glasses......oh yes and Come on you seagulls!

 

[beorhthelm]

before posting your rubbish why not quote me in full instead of just taking a snippet and try reading it first..........i said the word MAJORITY not ALL.....yes white chavs are involved too that is why why i said MAJORITY not ALL .

the rest of what you said:

i do believe brighton will be ok,thankfully we dont have an abundance of black youngsters who wish to act like a bunch of...

you are being racist, saying that its caused by black youth, and Brighton with low black minority is therefore immune to this situation. racial groups are immaterial in this, theres plenty of white (or other) youth that can act that way too.

 

[BadFish]

A racist will always look for the race angle when it is really not a factor. This is about poverty, frustration and disconnection that has continued and escalated through generations.

 

[Brighton1]

the rest of what you said:


you are being racist, saying that its caused by black youth, and Brighton with low black minority is therefore immune to this situation. racial groups are immaterial in this, theres plenty of white (or other) youth that can act that way too.

It's people like you that are f***ing up our country, people supposedly have the right for free speach in our country but were not really allowed are we? From all the clips i've seen on the news I would say the vast majority are black. Am I now racist for saying that? or do I have to pretend the weren't?

 

[Davemania]

I've got a thermos of coffee and my cricket bat at the ready. Oh and a a freshly painted sign directing them towards the Goldstone retail park.

Lol classic, yes thats the one place in the country i wouldnt mind them looting.

 

[BadFish]

It's people like you that are f***ing up our country, people supposedly have the right for free speach in our country but were not really allowed are we? From all the clips i've seen on the news I would say the vast majority are black. Am I now racist for saying that? or do I have to pretend the weren't?

What percentage of the rioters have you actually seen on the tv and internet clips. enough to make a sound judgement that most were black? Even if the answer is yes does that suggest anything other than most of the peo?ple living in poverty and ghettos are black? What does that tell you?

 

[Davemania]

A racist will always look for the race angle when it is really not a factor. This is about poverty, frustration and disconnection that has continued and escalated through generations.

Its got absolutely sweet fa to do with poverty and disconnection, do you really think these idiot yoofs are out looking for regular jobs? They have chosen to lead the life they lead and prefer to make money from drug dealing and thieving. They perceive the police to be too weak to stop them and are taking the opportunity to make some quick cash. They are scumbags that need to be taught a harsh lesson

 

[Mendoza]

I live a couple of doors down from said incident. I did cack myself a bit when I first got off the bus after leaving The AMEX as it was pretty much on my doorstep (not knowing what was actually going on)
3 cop cars, 3 fire engines and 2 ambulances, with police stood in the road diverting cars away. Turns out it was a fire in a block of flats. Residents in the block of flats that caught fire where on the road and pavement

 

[beorhthelm]

It's people like you that are f***ing up our country, people supposedly have the right for free speach in our country but were not really allowed are we? From all the clips i've seen on the news I would say the vast majority are black. Am I now racist for saying that? or do I have to pretend the weren't?

are you indentifying that most of the rioters in London are black, or are you saying they are rioting because they are black. one is factual, one is racist. shellsuit, by infering that a non-black community wont riot, is being the latter. by focusing on the colour you ignore the issues.

 

[BadFish]

Its got absolutely sweet fa to do with poverty and disconnection, do you really think these idiot yoofs are out looking for regular jobs? They have chosen to lead the life they lead and prefer to make money from drug dealing and thieving. They perceive the police to be too weak to stop them and are taking the opportunity to make some quick cash. They are scumbags that need to be taught a harsh lesson

I suspect that many of these people really had/have little choice about the life they lead.

 

[beorhthelm]

I suspect that many of these people really had/have little choice about the life they lead.

this type of approach tends to give them an excuse though. consider, if an area has a high unemployment of say 20%, that means 80% managed to find employment. very simplistic i know, but having lived in the inner cities, and listening the attitude of some speaking over the past few days, there is an attitude of being owed by society without having to do much.

 

[BadFish]

this type of approach tends to give them an excuse though. consider, if an area has a high unemployment of say 20%, that means 80% managed to find employment. very simplistic i know, but having lived in the inner cities, and listening the attitude of some speaking over the past few days, there is an attitude of being owed by society without having to do much.

Surely it has more to do with the culture you are born into and the norms and values that that culture bestows upon you than actual geographic location.

 

[Davemania]

I suspect that many of these people really had/have little choice about the life they lead.

Thats absolute bollocks, i have known many layabouts that have never worked a day in their life. They prefer to claim benefits whilst making cash on the side illegally. They are not impoverished, they WANT to drop out of society hang out with their mates, drink, take drugs, and have an easy life. They are bums get it through.

 

[BadFish]

Thats absolute bollocks, i have known many layabouts that have never worked a day in their life. They prefer to claim benefits whilst making cash on the side illegally. They are not impoverished, they WANT to drop out of society hang out with their mates, drink, take drugs, and have an easy life. They are bums get it through.

Ever wondered or asked them why?
Have they every wondered why?
Have they ever thought it through?
What did they see as their other options when they made this choice?

Having experience of people who drop out, sign on and sell drugs and appear happy does not give you insight into the things that caused them to make that choice.

 

[beorhthelm]

Surely it has more to do with the culture you are born into and the norms and values that that culture bestows upon you than actual geographic location.

agree with that. so they have the *choice* and opportunity to pursue other options, but dont due to upbringing... we start to get to the root of the problems (which are many). too many excuses are provided to those that want to step outside of societies norms. most people from any culture or area will seek out and find gainful employment or otherwise try their best to be productive and law abiding.

 

[BadFish]

agree with that. so they have the *choice* and opportunity to pursue other options, but dont due to upbringing... we start to get to the root of the problems (which are many). too many excuses are provided to those that want to step outside of societies norms. most people from any culture or area will seek out and find gainful employment or otherwise try their best to be productive and law abiding.

I don't think there is an excuse for this behaviour but i think it would be foolish not to try to find an explanation for it.

And most people from any culture will seek out gainful employment or try to be productive and law abiding. So this begs the question, Why do these people not? There must be more of a reason than simply that they are lazy, feral scum. As you said their are many complex pressures and influences that effect our life changing decisions.

 

[Davemania]

Ever wondered or asked them why?
Have they every wondered why?
Have they ever thought it through?
What did they see as their other options when they made this choice?

Having experience of people who drop out, sign on and sell drugs and appear happy does not give you insight into the things that caused them to make that choice.

Because its a lot easier than having to work hard and they can have fun at the same time, its not complex. They are young theyre not thinking long term. All this looting is a chance to make mischief and to make some easy money. Believe me there are plenty of young people that have no interest whatsoever in having to get a real job
, no point in making excuses for them, either leave them to it or do something about them are the options. Theres a big drug culture, big drinking culture in this country, leads to idleness mispent youth, they grown up around it, not had much guidance whatever, no point in saying poor kids never stood a chance, its a lifestyle they are in to at that age

 

[BadFish]

Because its a lot easier than having to work hard and they can have fun at the same time, its not complex. They are young theyre not thinking long term. All this looting is a chance to make mischief and to make some easy money. Believe me there are plenty of young people that have no interest whatsoever in having to get a real job
, no point in making excuses for them, either leave them to it or do something about them are the options. Theres a big drug culture, big drinking culture in this country, leads to idleness mispent youth, they grown up around it, not had much guidance whatever, no point in saying poor kids never stood a chance, its a lifestyle they are in to at that age

I am not making excuses for them. You say it yourself it is a life style that they are into, a lifestyle they are born into and a lifestyle that is hard to see a way out of.

 

[BadFish]

Mr Grayling believes that the issue is “a ticking time bomb” with those failing to get work, and with no experience of seeing family members working, easily falling into the culture of unemployment and benefit dependency that characterises their own family.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8277440/Quarter-of-a-million-children-growing-up-in-cycle-of-benefit-dependency.html

All of the evidence is that child poverty is the start of a cycle from which it is very difficult to escape. We know that children brought up in workless households are more likely to fail at school, more likely to end up workless when they leave school, more likely to be caught up in antisocial behaviour and crime.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/1579693/Tories-can-end-culture-of-benefit-dependency.html

 

[Davemania]

I am not making excuses for them. You say it yourself it is a life style that they are into, a lifestyle they are born into and a lifestyle that is hard to see a way out of.

The problem is that youre assuming they want to get out of it because thats what you would do. They like it too much sit around smoking weed, they dont want to have to work hard. I was pretty much the same at that age never got anything done, you have a different perspective at that age although i didnt get involved in criminal stuff, my brother did though, used to sell drugs, steal clothes from shops. As for his mates its still a way of life now, theyve barely worked in 15 odd years of adult life