Police arrogance? Do they serve us or do we serve them?

[somerset]

and the EDL will?

Nicely deflected again..... Will you ever answer a straight forward question.

From what I read, the EDL protests generally follow a carefully crafted route, there is often a few scuffles that are generally when counter demos chip in their two-penneth.......

 

[BadFish]

Nicely deflected again..... Will you ever answer a straight forward question.

From what I read, the EDL protests generally follow a carefully crafted route, there is often a few scuffles that are generally when counter demos chip in their two-penneth.......

Only if there is a question mark.

My experience at protests is that yes protesters usually follow the negotiated route and don't get involved in any violence. There are a few exceptions when this doesn't happen because of trouble makers getting involved that have nothing to do with the protest but are just up for a bit of aggro or the police being heavy handed or antagonistic. These are only my experiences but I see no reason why this protest should be any different. I certainly have never been to a protest or rally looking to cause any trouble or civil unrest.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Thatcher funeral protesters get police go-ahead to turn backs on coffin | Politics | The Guardian

Common sense has prevailed. Even Lord Tebbit accepts that the UK is a country where you can voice your views on this issue without threat of arrest.

 

[DJ Leon]

Thatcher was not in the same league as Hitler, so I don't know why you make such a comparison. He killed millions of Jews and other "undesirables", and maimed and displaced millions of others. Margaret Thatcher tried to haul Britain into the 20th century by reducing its debts and increasing its income. She didn't kill or maim anyone. For some reason, the Angry Left think the State coffers are bottomless pits of money for the purpose of providing them with jobs and giving them a better lifestyle. That is not the case. They have to do that for themselves.

Hitler killed millions of Jews?! My God.

Thanks on behalf of all NSC for letting us know.

 

[MattBackHome]

ANGRY left winger:

 

[beorhthelm]

Thatcher funeral protesters get police go-ahead to turn backs on coffin | Politics | The Guardian

so nothing has changed then. yesturday you could do as you please as long as you cause harassment, today you can do as you please as long as you dont cause harassment. just because someone asked the police if a certain action was allowed, doesnt mean it was "given the go ahead". Guardian standards slipping here. seems to me turning your back is a non-harassing way of showing your disaproval and nothing the police could do about it anyway.

 

[MattBackHome]

Giggsy is mad as hell and not going to take it anymore.

 

[pork pie]

Yes turning ones back on the funeral possession is and act of pure filth by a sick **** who should be killed by the police (especially those who travel by bus to get there).



All this has done wonders for your grotesque character of a hate filled Tory, it really is very clever, you should take it to the stage. Like Tim Nice But Dim with psychotic anger issues for the Breaking Bad generation.

Well done. The warped word-twisting of a left-wing pinko again there. You have managed to twist a comment about those who opposed Poll Tax being the ones who used most local authority services a few times now. It was a fact, that the people who moaned about paying their fair share were the ones who used most local authority services (because the better-off are more likely to have cars, and not use buses for example), but obviously you are too thick to understand. Still, you are in the right place now, and you did not even need to thieve to get there! lol

 

[pork pie]

Hitler killed millions of Jews?! My God.

Thanks on behalf of all NSC for letting us know.

Well, there are some thick ********s on here who cannot see that Maggie did a lot of good, and are sick enough to campare her to a tyrant. So it was probably worth HovaGirl pointing the facts out.

 

[pork pie]

Only if there is a question mark.

My experience at protests is that yes protesters usually follow the negotiated route and don't get involved in any violence. There are a few exceptions when this doesn't happen because of trouble makers getting involved that have nothing to do with the protest but are just up for a bit of aggro or the police being heavy handed or antagonistic. These are only my experiences but I see no reason why this protest should be any different. I certainly have never been to a protest or rally looking to cause any trouble or civil unrest.

So what have you ever had to protest about? Or are you some swampy type who does not know when he is well off?

 

[pork pie]

Aren't the EDL protesting next week?

I have no idea, I have no interest in them.

 

[pork pie]

Which is weird because you seem so nice and balanced.

Exactly! Not there for trouble, but we were obviously happy to oblige if they had the balls to try anything. They even had a police escort back to the station.Typical leftie gob-shites, happy to break windows and pick on the odd city worker trying to get to work, but scared of anyone who would fight back. lol

 

[Soulman]

There is so much hypocrisy here that it’s almost laughable. The right-wing are absolutely indignant that anyone should even consider a simple protest such as turning your back on the coffin, and insisting that the police should arrest the protesting scum. In fact, [MENTION=12740]pork pie[/MENTION] is actively hoping that some of them are killed by the police, the angry lil monkey.

Now, when Tony Blair or Gordon Brown die, these same right-wingers will be posting in fury about them receiving some kind of ceremonial funeral. They will be using their ‘witty’ nicknames such as Tony Bliar (ha ha ha), Gordon Clown (someone sew my sides back up!), or The Lie-bour Party (oh my, that is genius), and they will be frothing at the mouth if the police arrest anyone peacefully protesting Blair’s war crimes or whatever at the funeral. I wouldn’t put it past [MENTION=12740]pork pie[/MENTION] to jump in front of the hearse wearing a suicide belt just to make sure he’s really dead.

You’ll all be toasting their passing, don’t deny it.

If you really think i'm going to travel up to London, or wherever the in the future,when the funeral of Blair takes place, and celebrate the week before and the day of his funeral, then you are mistaken. I had little time for him or Brown when they were in power......i'm hardly going to give up time and get pissed when either turn their toes up.

 

[Soulman]

Thatcher funeral protesters get police go-ahead to turn backs on coffin | Politics | The Guardian

Common sense has prevailed. Even Lord Tebbit accepts that the UK is a country where you can voice your views on this issue without threat of arrest.

It's been done to death at the Etihad Stadium already.

 

[Dandyman]

I might need to correct you, the police are there to prevent any civil disturbance or breach of the peace, booing or disrupting the funeral is going to lead to a breach of the peace for sure, so the police are entitled by law to take action to head that type of incident happening, yes?

Expressing an opinion is not a breach of the peace. Assaulting people doing so is.

 

[Soulman]

Nicely deflected again..... Will you ever answer a straight forward question.

From what I read, the EDL protests generally follow a carefully crafted route, there is often a few scuffles that are generally when counter demos chip in their two-penneth.......

If you look at the arrests at the EDL demos, you can see that many more from those opposing the demo get arrested. I believe that on the Bolton demo,one example, there were 72 arrests, 55 were from the UAF/SWP/ any other anti mob.
The EDL are normally kettled and fenced in after being escorted by the police on the agreed route. The Anti's are allowed to congregate wherever, even though the demos are arranged by the EDL with the police involved.
It seems that some demos are ok, and some are very much controlled......and seeing as Cameron is listed as a supporter of the UAF, and is not keen on the "Sour Little Englanders"....then what chance of democracy eh.

 

[dingodan]

What a joke. Do those who are complaining about this also raise their voices when legitimate political protest is forbidden and closed down by the Police?

But when it comes to belligerently and crassly disrupting an old ladies funeral, you think then the "right to protest" applies and should be protected. What a mess.

I think the policing of political protest in this country is an absolute disgrace, we have "free-speech free zones" in this country, that is worthy of getting up in arms about. But apparently that is fine, just so long as we can make a scene at someones funeral. Talk about having your priorities mixed up.

I despair.

 

[vegster]

Thatcher was not in the same league as Hitler, so I don't know why you make such a comparison. He killed millions of Jews and other "undesirables", and maimed and displaced millions of others. Margaret Thatcher tried to haul Britain into the 20th century by reducing its debts and increasing its income. She didn't kill or maim anyone. For some reason, the Angry Left think the State coffers are bottomless pits of money for the purpose of providing them with jobs and giving them a better lifestyle. That is not the case. They have to do that for themselves.

Sorry about the delay in my reply, I have been busy at work. I know that being one of the full time apologists for the late Mrs Thatcher has been a demanding job and I'm sure you must have no fingerprints left through typing so extensively over that last week. I can also understand with the pressure of maintaining numerous arguments over several threads, it can be easy to skip or blur the key points in posts.

So, just to remind you of a sub thread running across several main threads " Why are so many young people protesting about Thatcher when they weren't even born ?" ... my opinion was, I quote, "The point was that you don't have to have fought in WW2 to know that Hitler was a bad egg. You don't have to be that old to realise what Maggie did " My comparison was not that Thatcher WAS akin to Hitler, merely to reiterate that you do not have to have lived at the time to form an opinion either about Maggie or Adolph.
I have not said at any time that Maggie was a Fascist or that she was responsible for millions of deaths. Perhaps I should have come up with another example with which people would not jump to an incorrect conclusion so swiftly ?

Maybe I should have referred to the times of Ancient Rome when The Emperor was allowed a certain amount of carte blanche to run the Empire and it's dominions as he would like, all the time that the standard of living was good and the cash was rolling in. However, when things got sticky, it was not unknown for Emperors to be dispatched quite unceremoniously, in favour of another who would promise "Grapes Today! " instead of "Grapes next year after I've tidied up the Goths and the Vandals"
However, I'm now worried you might make the leap to concluding that I thought Maggie encouraged alcoholism and warmongering ?

So, I will leave it at that and hope you extrapolate my original post with more clarity.

 

[Soulman]

Sorry about the delay in my reply, I have been busy at work. I know that being one of the full time apologists for the late Mrs Thatcher has been a demanding job and I'm sure you must have no fingerprints left through typing so extensively over that last week. I can also understand with the pressure of maintaining numerous arguments over several threads, it can be easy to skip or blur the key points in posts.

So, just to remind you of a sub thread running across several main threads " Why are so many young people protesting about Thatcher when they weren't even born ?" ... my opinion was, I quote, "The point was that you don't have to have fought in WW2 to know that Hitler was a bad egg. You don't have to be that old to realise what Maggie did " My comparison was not that Thatcher WAS akin to Hitler, merely to reiterate that you do not have to have lived at the time to form an opinion either about Maggie or Adolph.
I have not said at any time that Maggie was a Fascist or that she was responsible for millions of deaths. Perhaps I should have come up with another example with which people would not jump to an incorrect conclusion so swiftly ?

Maybe I should have referred to the times of Ancient Rome when The Emperor was allowed a certain amount of carte blanche to run the Empire and it's dominions as he would like, all the time that the standard of living was good and the cash was rolling in. However, when things got sticky, it was not unknown for Emperors to be dispatched quite unceremoniously, in favour of another who would promise "Grapes Today! " instead of "Grapes next year after I've tidied up the Goths and the Vandals"
However, I'm now worried you might make the leap to concluding that I thought Maggie encouraged alcoholism and warmongering ?

So, I will leave it at that and hope you extrapolate my original post with more clarity.

Blimey, not content with going back to events that happened over 23 years ago......we are now back to the times of Ancient Rome when The Emperor was allowed a certain amount of carte blanche to run the Empire.
Hitler killed British people, the sons, daughters, grandchildren had their families affected by his murders. Thatcher did not murder.....just a subtle difference.
Although she did ruin some peoples lives.

 

[vegster]

Blimey, not content with going back to events that happened over 23 years ago......we are now back to the times of Ancient Rome when The Emperor was allowed a certain amount of carte blanche to run the Empire.
Hitler killed British people, the sons, daughters, grandchildren had their families affected by his murders. Thatcher did not murder.....just a subtle difference.
Although she did ruin some peoples lives.

Hi, Hovagirl, looks like you and your other account still don't get it .