[Albion] ***Player Ratings vs Wolves***

[Nixonator]

Stats can be easily manipulated to bolster an argument, as anyone who has studied statistics would confirm.

We haven't scored a goal in 6 games. Not sure there's much manipulation needed there.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

It is all in context though, compared to others we may be shit but for where we are the boys dug deep and got a very valuable point against a side that have performed much better than we have.


But not great football I agree!

A newly promoted side, says swathes about us.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Stats can be easily manipulated to bolster an argument, as anyone who has studied statistics would confirm.

I have always felt player stats are pretty clear, e.g. a pass rate is a pass rate. Can you give me an example of manipulation?

 

[dazzer6666]

I have always felt player stats are pretty clear, e.g. a pass rate is a pass rate. Can you give me an example of manipulation?

They’re not great in demonstrating guts, commitment etc. So, player X goes flying in for a tackle on the opposing playmaker. Doesn’t quite get the ball, goes out for a throw to the opposition. Playmaker is left in the floor in a crumpled heap crying like a baby, ref says no foul.

Next time there is a 50/50, said playmaker bottles it.

Stats show a missed tackle.

 

[Nixonator]

They’re not great in demonstrating guts, commitment etc. So, player X goes flying in for a tackle on the opposing playmaker. Doesn’t quite get the ball, goes out for a throw to the opposition. Playmaker is left in the floor in a crumpled heap crying like a baby, ref says no foul.

Next time there is a 50/50, said playmaker bottles it.

Stats show a missed tackle.

Isn't that just a mistimed tackle then, as proved by the stats?

You're saying mental attributes aren't quantifiable?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

They’re not great in demonstrating guts, commitment etc. So, player X goes flying in for a tackle on the opposing playmaker. Doesn’t quite get the ball, goes out for a throw to the opposition. Playmaker is left in the floor in a crumpled heap crying like a baby, ref says no foul.

Next time there is a 50/50, said playmaker bottles it.

Stats show a missed tackle.

I hear what you’re saying. But my point is that player stats are merely simple descriptive statistics. If a player has successfully passed the ball 60 times this is all it’s telling you. There’s no manipulation going on.

 

[dazzer6666]

I hear what you’re saying. But my point is that player stats are merely simple descriptive statistics. If a player has successfully passed the ball 60 times this is all it’s telling you.

It’s part of the picture for sure....but not all of it

Having some good debates with junior on this who is studying sports science and wants to be a performance analyst........

 

[colonies man]

I hear what you’re saying. But my point is that player stats are merely simple descriptive statistics. If a player has successfully passed the ball 60 times this is all it’s telling you. There’s no manipulation going on.

Stats in many sports can be misleading.10 passes to a player standing 10 yards from me but not advancing the play are not as good as me playing 5 passes over 25 yards that turn say defence into attack.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Stats in many sports can be misleading.10 passes to a player standing 10 yards from me but not advancing the play are not as good as me playing 5 passes over 25 yards that turn say defence into attack.

True. But a simple pass rate is quantitative. There is no qualitative element... which is what you’re now introducing. It is what It is, and yes it’s limted, but it isn’t misleading