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El Presidente

The ONLY Gay in Brighton
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Jul 5, 2003
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Pattknull med Haksprut
Arrived at the KCC, which appears to be on a brownfield site next to some rough as a polar bears' arse estates. It's a great looking ground, slightly bigger than Falmer will be, not as good as the Maj Stad, but still impressive enough.

When the side was announced, with Jake in for 'Le Winger' everyone was excited at the prospect of him teaming up with CZR, sadly it was not to be, with McGhee adopting a cautious 4-5-1 with Jake on the right and Leon in the middle of the park, where on the infrequent occasions he received the ball he looked a class ahead of anyone else on the park.

The first half was fairly forgettable, Jake had a couple of good runs down the right, and put over one good cross that CZR, who was having an impossible battle with no support up front, headed just over the bar.

CZR was becoming more and more irate at trying to run the front line by himself, and was booked for a bit of argy bargy, and looked as if he was heading for a second card in his frustration. You could not blame the lad, Chippie and Charlie were very deep, Leon a little cautious, and Deano not surging up the left flank. The other main development in the first half was the battle between McShane and Barmby, which the ref completely missed despite it going on for a good five minutes.

The Albion looked the marginally better of two mediocre sides, when, a few minutes before half time, Charlie had the ball at his feet just outside our area and played a hospital ball to Leon, who was crunched from behind by a Hull defender, and Hull broke and scored from a 25 yard shot with no one attempting to close down the player in possession. It was the first time that Henderson had to move, sadly it was to pick the ball out of the net.

The second half started and there was a collective groan amongst the piss poor Albion turnout, Jake was nowhere to be seen, as was CZR (this was more understandable as McGhee was trying to prevent him getting a second yellow), to be replaced by Nicholas and ..........Trolley.

In the second half we were the better team by a fair margin, Trolley showed some very deft touches on occasions to set up Leon, who had switched to a wide right position, through for a few runs and crosses, but on each occasion there was only Hammond and the lumbering Trolley arriving in the box. On one occasion Trolley had a good chance on the diagonal about 15 yards out, but, disappointingly for a 16 stone 6 foot 4 bloke, had the shot strength of a six year old and the ball went tamely to the keeper. Later on Leon had our best chance after good work from Trolley, who hooked the ball over the Hull defence, but after superbly outjumping his marker Leon headed over the top.

With time running out and the Albion fans shouting for the Frenchman to be brought on, Hull broke two on one, and after Burgess' first effort came off Henderson and the bar, he was able to tap in the rebound.

At the final whistle the players gave some half hearted clapping to our half hearted support, and we all went home. It's going to be a long, long season ahead

Henderson 6: Did little wrong as had little to do, dropped one corner but it came to nothing.

Dodd 6: Looks very composed and never had problems with the Hull attack.

Tank 7: Calmness personified and won everything in the air as always

McShane 7.5: Looks a terrific player at our level, but I suspect will not make it in the Prem with United. No doubt Reading will sign him soon.

Reid 5: Caught out on a few occasions today and lack of a left foot causes us balance problems.

Hammond 6: The only midfield player to consistently support the forwards.

Oatway 5: Looks too slow, cannot give the ball away as often as he does at this level and not get punished for it. Improved in second half but still made too many basic errors.

Carpenter 5: Ditto Charlie.

Knight 7.5: Some very clever play at times, got frustrated as always. Double man marked by Hull in the second half to prevent him causing problems.

Robinson 6: Some promise, but not a right winger.

CZR 5: Felt sorry for the lad, needs to be given support

SUbs:

Trolley 6: Made a positive impression and showed more effort than has been known to in the past. Caught offside too often and wins too few balls in the air for a man his size.

Nicholas 6: Neat, tidy, but needs to dominate the game more
 






junior

Well-known member
Dec 1, 2003
6,633
Didsbury, Manchester
Dont disagree with that too much.

Exept i think CKR was relpaced because of his poor performance in the first half rather than the yellow card recieved.


Also LK was NOT clattered by a Hull player.He kicked the ground infront of him and fell over.He then did his usual rolling around on the floor thing that makes him look stupid.Even the ref wasnt fooled coz he didnt let the physio on for a good few mins.

The battle between Barmby and McShane was funny.Barmby even punched him in the side of the head once and McShane just stood there:lolol:

And i disagree with the Keepers rating.At least a 7 imho.A wonder save in the second half from that header and didnt poot a foot wrong apart from that corner.Also he was very quick off his line on quite a few occasions to quash Hull attacks.
 




Silver flying chariot

Active member
Aug 5, 2003
461
how can you give nicholas a six!!

HE IS ABSOLUTE SHIT!! WHY DID WE PLAY 4 CENTRAL MIDFIELDERS IN THE 2ND HALF.

McGHEE NEEDS TO SORT THIS OUT

trolley played well!
 






Yorkie

Sussex born and bred
Jul 5, 2003
32,367
dahn sarf
Henderson 7: I saw him save a goal

Dodd 7

Tank 8

McShane 8

Reid 6

Hammond 6 Didn't have such a good game today

Oatway 6

Carpenter 5

Knight 7

Robinson 6

CKR 6 just because you get your shirt pulled, don't pull others

Subs:

McCammon 7

Nicholas 6
 


A few differences with El Pres. I thought Hull were much better than us first half. I was praying we would last till half-time so McGhee could sort it out, so to concede so near the break was galling.

Our shape never gelled like last week. Hard to say why but I think we missed Carole's intelligent work supporting the central midfielders. Jake, alas, had the odd nice touch but didn't get involved enough - I feel it was a mistake by McGhee to bow to fans' pressure to play him. What was a very compact 4-5-1 against Crewe became a bedgraggled and isolated 4-3-3 today with not enough support and options for our central midfielders.

CKR struggled up front with the tight marking, poor service and some rubbish ref decisions. Hammond was barely involved. Oatway looked uncharateristically tentative and lacking leadership gung-ho and Reid couldn't pick a pass to save his life.

Reid, for me, is often the "weathervane" to judge whether McGhee has got the shape right, if Reid passes well it means we are flowing as a team, if he passes badly it usually means players aren't giving him the options.

Only McShane and Chippy managed to hold it together for us in the first half, but alas not quite until the break.

We were much better in the second half. McGhee introduced some directness and bite into our gameplan. Nicolas smoothed the wayward passing in midfield a bit and Big Mac gave us a useful outlet up front. Leon got more involved and had our best chance set up by Big Mac and two other half-chances but none came to anything. Big Mac had one chance but scuffed his shot.

The second goal was irrelevant as they broke when we were committed upfield in a last-ditch death-or-glory bid.

Henderson 6 One great save in the second half to keep us in the game, but still not 100% convincing

Dodd 6 Competent
McShane 8 Class apart from his team-mates
Butters 6 Did his job OK
Reid 5 Bad day at the office

Jake 6 Not involved enough and not experienced enough to go looking for the ball
Leon 6 Some very good moments, but one bad one in getting caught in possession for the first goal (disagree with El Pres that he got a hospital pass, he dwelt too long, alas)
Chippy 7 Back to near his best
Oatway 5 A rare off-day for the skipper
Hammond 5.5 Willing but limited impact

CKR 5 Didn't cope with all what was going wrong

Nicolas 6 Neat and tidy work
Big Mac 6 Showed he still can contribute in the right circumstances

McGhee 5 He has to hold his hand up and accept he got the shape wrong today in trying to crowbar Jake into the team. Everything bad that happened flowed from our poor teamwork in midfield with the flank players not involved. Allowed the fans to pick his team and I'd never thought I'd ever say that about McGhee.

Taylor 8 Spot-on tactics, a cute come-back to our ribbing and some fantastic lobbying of Prescott.
KC Stadium 9 Great sight-lines
 
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Re: Re: Player and Stadium ratings

Desert Orchid said:
Solution to both: Play Robinson and CKR up front together in a 4-4-2. We have got to play more than 1 up front. (Incidentally, it was definitely a negative 4-5-1 in the first half, not 4-3-3 as the Sports Argus amazingly claims)

It may as well have been a 4-3-1 given Jake's and Hammond's involvement. I agree with Naylor, it was meant to be a 4-3-3 but the outcome was so dreadful it was hard to tell.
 


Yorkie

Sussex born and bred
Jul 5, 2003
32,367
dahn sarf
Your comments have some merit DO but you've over exaggerating them.
 


I agree Jake is just a striker. McGhee showed some faith in him today by giving him Carole's role and hoping he'd have the adaptability and class to pull it off. It was a bad call because he didn't. But just because Jake failed in that position, it doesn't mean Carole won't get another chance, does it?
 






Yorkie

Sussex born and bred
Jul 5, 2003
32,367
dahn sarf
London Irish said:
I agree Jake is just a striker. McGhee showed some faith in him today by giving him Carole's role and hoping he'd have the adaptability and class to pull it off. It was a bad call because he didn't. But just because Jake failed in that position, it doesn't mean Carole won't get another chance, does it?

Jake played in that exact same position for the reserves on Wednesday night.
It would have helped today if Leon had overlapped with Jake but he hardly passed to him.
 


Re: Re: Re: Re: Player and Stadium ratings

Desert Orchid said:
Trolley is inept.

Well, McGhee preferred playing him as a striker today to your boy :D
 






Yorkie

Sussex born and bred
Jul 5, 2003
32,367
dahn sarf
Desert Orchid said:
The reserves played 4-4-2. The first team played 4-5-1 with Jake hugging the touchline, several times waiting in vain for Leon to pass the ball to him.

Yes and the two up front were Turienzo and McCammon on Wed night not Jake. He was on the right.
 


Desert Orchid said:
No. Perhaps they could both play in their proper positions.

Well, I thought Carole did pretty well in his proper position against Crewe and didn't deserve to be dropped today. Bad call by McGhee.
 


Desert Orchid said:
Yes, of a 4 not a 5. There is a big difference, especially when the player inside you isn't passing the ball to you as often as you might expect.

The player has a responsibility to make himself a target for the pass. I know you'll never see any wrong in Jake, but he didn't do that today and that's why, IMHO, he got only 45 minutes.
 
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Gotsmanov

Active member
Aug 13, 2003
305
Brighton
Henderson 7 - Great save
Dodd 5 - woeful set-pieces. Inferior to Reid in the RB slot, yet still commands the role despite being mid-thirties, and most worringly despite Reid's impressive second-half of last season at right-back.
McShane 8 - Another wholly impressive display
Butters 7 - solid
Reid 5 - played out of position and lack of left-foot showed

Hammond 6.5 - toiled and troubled, but played out of position (paraphrasing McGhee - 'he's a central or right midfielder')
Oatway 5 - consistently woeful, broke up our own attacks, poor distribution. Talks a good game, rarely plays one. Best left on the shelf. At Torquay.
Carpenter 7 - return to form after his "one bad game in 20" vs Crewe. Carried Oatway once again
Knight 7 - good effort and hustling, whilst playing out of position
Robinson 6 - showed good impetus and signs of bright ingenuity when he got the chance, but was played out of position

Kazim-Richards 6 - not a target-man, and thus struggled. Did well to get onto the cross, on target and it would have been a certain goal.

Trolley 6 - hustled well, but what foot is he?!
Nicholas 6 - looked industrious and a solid passer. Incredible lack of self-confidence though was evident in his keeness to avoid the long-range shot / incisive pass.

McGhee 4 - what on paper looked like 4-3-3 was in fact a sombre 4-5-1; played 4 players out of position (Knight, Robinson, Hammond and Reid), picked Robinson out of position to get fans off his back and then played him magnificently out wide, in midfield (!). Failed to introduce Carole (who ran the show in his last outing). 1-0 down at half-time and the team emerged with 4 defensive midfielders - shocking tactics.
 


Yorkie

Sussex born and bred
Jul 5, 2003
32,367
dahn sarf
Reid is having to cover for Keryy Mayo who is injured. When we have a fit left back then Reid will revert.
 


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